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Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

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Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

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post #13

Easiest way for Apple to fix this is to expand the TouchBar thing to handle the whole keyboard and add some haptics. Everyone will hate it but... it will be reliable and amazingly thin. Maybe use too much power?

It could be e ink which should be power efficient enough.

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

#32
post #11

I'm having issues with my 2015 Macbook Pro display getting weird unremovable marks and stains from interaction with the keyboard. I hope they'll replace it for me but these quality issues are really annoying. Here's a (bad) pic to show what I mean: https://i.imgur.com/LIK4qq5.jpg

i keep meaning to look for some sort of cloth to place over the keyboard before closing it to keep the glass from coming in contact with the grease on the keys. the next trick would be to remember to use it

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

#33
post #23

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Oh, please please please. If it’s programmable (and they did a decent job of making the touchbar programmable), it could be an incredible tool. And while getting the haptic right is probably tough, I wonder if it could be in reach now (I love the Magic Touchpad 2, and that’s not much smaller than a keyboard. Although keyboard will need to give some cues as to where the keys “are”...) The howls of the anti-touchbar cr…

With such keyboard you can't rest your hands on the keys anymore. It's not possible to work that way for any non-trivial time.

It just wouldn’t activate at the force of your hands resting on it.

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

#34
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, please please please. If it’s programmable (and they did a decent job of making the touchbar programmable), it could be an incredible tool. And while getting the haptic right is probably tough, I wonder if it could be in reach now (I love the Magic Touchpad 2, and that’s not much smaller than a keyboard. Although keyboard will need to give some cues as to where the keys “are”...) The howls of the anti-touchbar cr…

With such keyboard you can't rest your hands on the keys anymore. It's not possible to work that way for any non-trivial time.

this is the biggest muscle memory i've had to fight myself from doing. i never realized how much time i would rest my fingers on a key in the Fn key row until the touch bar.

i could not imagine trying to do this for an entire keyboard.

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

#35

The 2017 keyboard seems to not have any of those issues. The touchbar can sometimes be really annoying when I accidentally hit the Siri key when typing fast. Overall I prefer my 2017 15" pro to my 2015 one mainly because it is thinner, supports USB-C charging, and the screen is much much better

> The touchbar can sometimes be really annoying when I accidentally hit the Siri key when typing fast.

So disable it?

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

#36
post #29
post #22

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I have a collection of 2014 MBPs because I have a real concern that no one is ever going to make a computer that good (or even a decent computer) ever again.

My ThinkPad X1 is as good as any generation of MacBook, it is certainly more serviceable and has a better keyboard. You might prefer MacOS to Linux or Windows, but I can assure you that there are very decent hardware alternatives.

One of my constraints is that I have to provide IT support for my very non-technical spouse. That is a very severe constraint. Linux is not an option for her, and Windows is not really an option for me. That leaves Macs.

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

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post #36
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My ThinkPad X1 is as good as any generation of MacBook, it is certainly more serviceable and has a better keyboard. You might prefer MacOS to Linux or Windows, but I can assure you that there are very decent hardware alternatives.

One of my constraints is that I have to provide IT support for my very non-technical spouse. That is a very severe constraint. Linux is not an option for her, and Windows is not really an option for me. That leaves Macs.

My wife has a Mac, but when it dies, I'm going to persuade her to try Ubuntu. She only uses the Mac for Facebook and occasional Word/Excel. I think LibreOffice and Firefox should have her covered.

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

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post #37
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my constraints is that I have to provide IT support for my very non-technical spouse. That is a very severe constraint. Linux is not an option for her, and Windows is not really an option for me. That leaves Macs.

My wife has a Mac, but when it dies, I'm going to persuade her to try Ubuntu. She only uses the Mac for Facebook and occasional Word/Excel. I think LibreOffice and Firefox should have her covered.

My wife is a writer who is, sadly, heavily invested in MS Word.

We are also both heavily invested in iPhoto (which is why all our machines still run Mavericks).

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

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post #37
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my constraints is that I have to provide IT support for my very non-technical spouse. That is a very severe constraint. Linux is not an option for her, and Windows is not really an option for me. That leaves Macs.

My wife has a Mac, but when it dies, I'm going to persuade her to try Ubuntu. She only uses the Mac for Facebook and occasional Word/Excel. I think LibreOffice and Firefox should have her covered.

Why not Chromebook?

Re: Petition: Apple recall and replace defective Macbook Pro keyboard design

#40
post #25
post #2

This one could really do _without_ the special HN apple weighting, I'm sure there are plenty of HN apple users who would benefit from seeing/signing this.

I certainly benfitted from a hearty and possibly-sinister laugh, as the owner of a T450s.

I don't own one of these either, I pretty much hate the current state of apple hardware and software, but that doesn't mean I don't have empathy for those who have essentially been conned by Apple here... don't get me wrong I get a bit of a sinister grin as I see Apple's shitty tactics fail on them, but ultimately they screw over people, and this petition is an opportunity to do right by the people and make Apple pay up.
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