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Why I'm not happy about IE9

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Re: Why I'm not happy about IE9

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Post by ergo98 »

ecaradec wrote: post #17
woogley wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... IE6 introduced a lot of useful features back then. Cannot agree more. People tend to forget things like AJAX came from IE.

But they probably did it by mistake or at least inadvertently. If they had known what would occur they probably won't have done it.

As someone who was using "AJAX" quite extensively using hidden IFRAMEs and then in 1999, XMLHttpRequest -- long before a Johnny-come-lately coined AJAX, I had to comment on this-

http://www.yafla.com/dennisforbes/How-I-Came-To-Despise-AJAX...

It was first added "to" Internet Explorer by the MSXML team (by a guy sneaking in some functionality for the Exchange Outlook Web Access team). It was actually a great example of the power of modular "ActiveX" (which in that case was abused to mean simply COM) scripting -- they didn't need to release a new browser to support it. Of course there are endless downsides to reusing a plug-in structure that had little controls or security, however it did have some merits.

Re: Why I'm not happy about IE9

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Post by bluesnowmonkey »

kia wrote: post #5

It sounds like a conspiracy theory - make IE standards complaint -> get the market share -> introduce new nonstandard features. PS Safari runs on linux only under Wine as far as I know.

Unfortunately it's a bit more than a theory. In a real, documented sense, it has been Microsoft's modus operandi with regard to internet technology for over 15 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Re: Why I'm not happy about IE9

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Post by TheBranca18 »

hash550 wrote: post #10

Really silly article - I can't believe this made front page on HN. How many Linux users would use Internet Explorer? How many Mac users would use Internet Explorer 9? Probably not many, almost certainly not enough to justify the cost in time and dollars to Microsoft, and assuredly not the author of this post, who seems to just need to find something to pick on Microsoft about. I thought those types died out long ago.…

I know for me not having to boot up VirtualBox to test that everything works fine in IE would be a boon not a problem. But yeah I'm not seeing where it really benefits MS here at all.

Re: Why I'm not happy about IE9

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Post by CountHackulus »

I think the author is forgetting that IE used to run on Mac OS a long time ago. Before Safari came out, or was any good, on MacOS you had the choice of either Netscape, IE5, or Opera, and honestly, IE5 was the best of the bunch at the time.

Re: Why I'm not happy about IE9

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Post by shin_lao »

bluesnowmonkey wrote: post #28
shin_lao wrote: post #9

There are many things I dislike in this article. The first thing is this primal "everything microsoft does is evil" reaction. The author tries to rationalize, but in the end it's just "well IE9 is bad because it can be good for Microsoft". The use of fallacies such as "most of them are probably Microsoft fan boys" is also quite irritating. People disagree with you? Fanboys! Blinds! Fools! Heretics! Then, the article…

> The goal with IE9 is to provide Windows with a as good as possible browser. That doesn't ring true. We already have four other excellent web browsers on Windows, as mentioned by the article. All are relatively similar in terms of features and under active development by great teams. At best, Microsoft could only hope to very marginally improve on what already is available for free. So a nice standards-compliant IE9…

Browser is too strategic, you can't allow a third party to develop the one on your platform.
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