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Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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Flatshares ("WG" , Wohngemeinschaft) are extremely common in Germany. For anyone under 30 living in a major city it is absolutely normal to share a flat with 1-3 other people.

For students a flatshare is normal but all Germans I know that work full-time live in their own flat. In London, living on your own after university is basically impossible (unless you live very far out).

> In London, living on your own after university is basically impossible (unless you live very far out).

Disagree, since I'm doing it right now 3 years after uni.

I'm not paid amazingly, below average salary for London but above average for the rest of the UK. However half my paycheck goes on rent. My commute is about 45 minutes by tube or 20 minutes by motorbike so it's not too far out. The trick is to find an area that's stabby enough to be cheap but hipster enough that there's decent bars in the area to help you forget. However I definitely got lucky, my rent is a few hundred pounds below market value.

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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I absolutely adore the concept of co-living, it's especially great for people who have moved cities or countries and don't have an established group of friends.

When I moved cities for work after university, I moved into a long term backpackers hostel. I ended up living there for a year, until I actually moved again and moved overseas. Sure, sharing a room with 3 other people wan't great, but it was amazing to live in this building with all these other (mostly) awesome people. It was a long term hostel, so most people were there for 3-6 months, so there was a lot of churn, but it wasn't like I had to make a new group of friends every day. There was no financial necessity for me to live in a hostel, I could more than afford to move into an apartment, but I just didn't want to.

Because of living there for so long, I now have friends all over the globe.

I now live in an sharehouse with 3 other people, and I really miss living in a hostel. I miss the dumb shit we'd get up to. I miss the massive shared dinners with 15 people. The thing that I miss the most though is that there was always something to do and someone to do it with. Even at 3 in the morning, there would be someone in the lounge to hang out with. Living in a shared house (where my housemates are very quiet), I feel massively understimulated.

Obviously co-living isn't for everyone, but I think that there are a lot of people who would really benefit from it. I find it hard enough living with only a couple of people, I couldn't possibly imagine living on my own. I guess I like coworking spaces for the same reason, as bad as they are for productivity, I really miss working in a coworking space now that I work in a small office with ~10 other people. In a coworking space of 200 people there's always someone that shares your interests and there's a different relationship between co-workingspacers and colleagues. We used to have a daily quiz at the coworking space, and a group of us would do the crossword, there was also a group who'd go to the gym together, and even a motorbike riding group.

There's a great TED talk on cohousing [1], which is a similar concept, but based more around having several families living in self contained apartments, but with a lot of shared space and activities. To me, that is the ideal kind of living situation, everyone has their personal space, as well as having communal space and activities. I've been living in my current house for 6 months, and the only reason I've even met one of my neighbours is that I accidentally stole their fridge.

I think that as people become more and more mobile, moving cities and even countries more often, it's important that we have these opportunities for socializing and meeting other people. It's seriously hard to meet people in a new city or country. With more people working remotely as well, loneliness is a growing issue.

[1] https://www.ted.com/talks/grace_kim_how_cohousing_can_make_u...

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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My entire time in the UK I've lived in flatshares - out of sheer necessity due to the ridiculous rent prices. This "co-living" space is no exception in that respect. Only somehow they manage to spin it as "hip" to live in a shoebox for 1000£ a month. This is just making money off of the dire housing situation, imho, by squeezing the maximum amount of people into a building. It's probably fine for short term tennants…

Indeed. There are many other options for social living without compromising on the space aspect. Condo living is one. You get your own kitchen (albeit small), a small bedroom, a small living room and your own shower and toilet.

Then there are several amenities: Pool, Gym, Library. In the Condo you can find a coffee shop, 7/11, etc... So you can be either social, or not. But if you pick "I socialize with my condo tenants", you still have the option at 8PM to sneak to your apartment at xx Floor and have your own moments.

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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This is just depressing. A lot of the people here can get a remote job for perhaps 10% less income, move to somewhere cheap but with great internet and spend 50% less housing/food and leisure.

My internet connection in Brazil is 10x better than what I had in London. My apartment is at least 3x bigger and 100x nicer. Food is awesome, people are nice, weather is lovely and if you're not acting like a dumb gringo, it's pretty safe too if London's latest murder spree hasn't convinced you yet.

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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Three grand a month for a cage! You can almost rent six 3 bedroom semi-detached houses for that where I am! (~150 miles north of London). Sublet or rent with others if you need the company Don't embrace the cage, embrace remote working

I live just outside of London. A 30min direct train to most of the major London stations. I have a three bed detached house with a few acres of land and I'm paying a fraction of what they are charging for a glorified bedsit.

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For students a flatshare is normal but all Germans I know that work full-time live in their own flat. In London, living on your own after university is basically impossible (unless you live very far out).

> In London, living on your own after university is basically impossible (unless you live very far out). Disagree, since I'm doing it right now 3 years after uni. I'm not paid amazingly, below average salary for London but above average for the rest of the UK. However half my paycheck goes on rent. My commute is about 45 minutes by tube or 20 minutes by motorbike so it's not too far out. The trick is to find an area…

> However half my paycheck goes on rent. My commute is about 45 minutes by tube or 20 minutes by motorbike so it's not too far out.

I don't know how you manages your finances but for me anything above 25% of your income going for rent is absurd. And you are not making it up in distance, either. 45 minutes by tube is a lots of time. (I assume motorbike is not a favorable option given London weather).

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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For my entire career (I'm a lifelong Londoner) I've been bemused by newcomers to the city who essentially refuse to even consider living beyond zone 2. I grew up on the border of Z3/4 and now live in Z6, but have worked either in zone 1 or beyond it (in travel terms) since late 1996. My gut feeling is that the horrific prices in the centre are very much tied to what seems to be a perception that the outskirts suck.

I knew a woman in her 50s in London that was commuting daily 6 hours from one of the outskirts to another outskirt on the opposite side for a low-paying SWEng job. Frankly, why do people even bother moving to London/UK? Unless you are a finance person, a money-laudering crook from abroad or a top-school PhD in a hot field, your prospects are slim.

> Unless you are a finance person, a money-laudering crook from abroad or a top-school PhD in a hot field

That's a very accurate description of London.

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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Three grand a month for a cage! You can almost rent six 3 bedroom semi-detached houses for that where I am! (~150 miles north of London). Sublet or rent with others if you need the company Don't embrace the cage, embrace remote working

I live just outside of London. A 30min direct train to most of the major London stations. I have a three bed detached house with a few acres of land and I'm paying a fraction of what they are charging for a glorified bedsit.

Yeah I'd imagine it's similar in many places outside of London really, I just gave the 150 miles north for context

Crazy the amount people are paying.. earning too. I think the earning shock for me is having it in my head small housing is for students and entry level jobs though

Re: Co-living in London: Friendship, fines and frustration

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For students a flatshare is normal but all Germans I know that work full-time live in their own flat. In London, living on your own after university is basically impossible (unless you live very far out).

> In London, living on your own after university is basically impossible (unless you live very far out). Disagree, since I'm doing it right now 3 years after uni. I'm not paid amazingly, below average salary for London but above average for the rest of the UK. However half my paycheck goes on rent. My commute is about 45 minutes by tube or 20 minutes by motorbike so it's not too far out. The trick is to find an area…

"A few hundred pounds below market value" makes a huge, huge difference.

If your salary is around £30,000, you'll take home around £1,900 a month after tax and student loan payments. Spending 50% on rent is already huge, spending £300 more (66%) would be madness.

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