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What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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Re: What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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Post by Density »

dragonwriter wrote: post #23
Density wrote: post #18

CDC can't study gun violence because they are out to ban guns. Quote from the CDC head Mark Rosenberg from 1994: “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like we did with cigarettes. Now it [sic] is dirty, deadly and banned.” This isn't an okay attitude for a government employee to have because the bill of rights guarantees all Americans the right to bear arms.

> CDC can't study gun violence because they are out to ban guns. Seems to me if that was the concern, removing the CDC head with the problem and then not appointing/confirming one with the same problem would be the solution. I mean, that's like saying we should permanently ban the DoJ from enforcing civil rights law because of Jeff Sessions’s views.

Sure let's weaponize all government agencies in our fight against our political rivals.

Are we really here already? I thought we'd have another decade at least. Next step political violence.

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Post by opportune »

daenz wrote: post #17
wglb wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public health hazard. [Edit] The author, Gary Klek, is a firearm-ownership supporter.

>[Edit] The author, Gary Klek, is a firearm-ownership supporter. Can you state clearly the implication of this?

Perhaps someone who makes a living advocating for gun rights might focus on finding supporting arguments for gun ownership?

Re: What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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Post by ColanR »

opportune wrote: post #27
ColanR wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you're saying, and that it's hard to come up with simple, straightforward questions that address all the likely misunderstandings. But, in this case, I was observing that in response to your comment, > even though these wouldn't technically count according to the wording of the survey, we are still relying on respondents' interpretations of the questions it seemed that in this case, the question was worded…

Perhaps I'm not communicating myself very well. To be blunt, the question could be worded as well as possible, that doesn't preclude the subject material from introducing a bias anyway. And given that the subject is relatively controversial and not 100% well-defined (we have no way of determining whether the use was "justified" or even actually defensive), that could indeed introduce a significant bias.

Well, I see what you mean, but it sounds like _no_ servey could be acceptable by that criteria.

Re: What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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Post by xt00 »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #10
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "main goal" of the CDC "is to protect public health and safety through the control and prevention of disease, injury, and disability in the US and internationally" [1]. Guns cause injury and disability. The CDC's work around guns has been an area of "partisan dispute" [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an...

Guns don’t cause injury and disability more than they prevent it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. We have 340,000,000 people, more guns than that. And 10,000 homicides where the vast majority are drug and gang related. We have a problem, but it’s not with guns. Edit: more truth, more downvotes. I’m curious as to why there is such effort against an enumerated right - when putting even 1/10th the effort into fighting hear…

Many countries that have essentially completely banned guns somehow have also managed to have low injury / death rates. Yes crimes still occur but are much less lethal with knives or other weapons compared to guns. So saying guns cause less injury vs preventing it sounds like it could be true but also is a symptom of our current culture in the US that has zillions of guns.

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Post by daenz »

opportune wrote: post #32
daenz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>[Edit] The author, Gary Klek, is a firearm-ownership supporter. Can you state clearly the implication of this?

Perhaps someone who makes a living advocating for gun rights might focus on finding supporting arguments for gun ownership?

If the data is sound, what does it matter what they believe?

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

lordnacho wrote: post #16
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guns don’t cause injury and disability more than they prevent it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. We have 340,000,000 people, more guns than that. And 10,000 homicides where the vast majority are drug and gang related. We have a problem, but it’s not with guns. Edit: more truth, more downvotes. I’m curious as to why there is such effort against an enumerated right - when putting even 1/10th the effort into fighting hear…

Guy says it's an area of partisan dispute, and you write a post that proves it. Yes, it's partisan. Your facts may be right, but the argument is one sided.

It’s not partisan to me, i could care less how fellow gun owners vote.

One side has emotional plees, logical fallacies, or stubborn ignorance of the topic - I won’t appologoze for not being on that side.

Re: What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

kharms wrote: post #19
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guns don’t cause injury and disability more than they prevent it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. We have 340,000,000 people, more guns than that. And 10,000 homicides where the vast majority are drug and gang related. We have a problem, but it’s not with guns. Edit: more truth, more downvotes. I’m curious as to why there is such effort against an enumerated right - when putting even 1/10th the effort into fighting hear…

Guns have an amplifier effect on suicides, domestic violence.

Guns have a force multiplier effect on self defense.

Guess which one of our arguments happens more frequently?

Re: What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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Post by markisus »

I wonder what the author means when he says the CDC did not report their results? In the final paragraph he says, "Regardless of how the decision was made, it was a disservice to the American people, who paid for the survey and the information it yielded, but who were not allowed to see it and judge its worth for themselves." Indeed, it's wrong for government agencies to suppress publicly funded data sets, especially when suppression is due to political affiliations. But then how did the author obtain the data?

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Post by wglb »

daenz wrote: post #36
opportune wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps someone who makes a living advocating for gun rights might focus on finding supporting arguments for gun ownership?

If the data is sound, what does it matter what they believe?

Check the wikipedia article below. There is not universal agreement amongst researchers.
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