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Re: Child's play

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I feel like we've been infantalizing an entire generation. From where I stand it seems like marketing to millenials is oddly pedantic. Meme culture, "doggos", baby talk in tweets and texts, "adulting" and the strange pedantic tone you see in ads, all feel connected. I'm not sure if it's developer thing, or just a cultural thing.

Granted, I'm well aware the above is almost a caricature of what an old guy would say. Happens I guess.

Re: Child's play

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post #20

Isn't this just a reflection of changes our culture generally? When I was a kid "grown men" were only allowed to be really into sports or maybe cars. Now those barriers of what is "acceptable" for adults to be into (among other things) are broken down. As far as someone dressing up as a super hero for a professional conference; I'm sure if you could dig through the reports of Comdex from the 80s you'll find lots of r…

None of this post is new or groundbreaking, it's been that way at every conference I've been to for 15 years. If anything we've moved to less booth babes, more kitchzy comic book characters - that's ok with me.

Re: Child's play

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> "I hate being called 'IT'" Oh man I hate this. An "IT" job to me just means an admin job where the subject of the admin tasks happens to be computers. It's worse when "IT workers" try to lump actual technically-skilled roles in with them, like it's just another task to be performed.

So its the common term for the entire industry in the UK its like the USA is bad as India or Germany in being obsessed with job titles.

Re: Child's play

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Salesforce is a big time offender here. Trailhead Conference was absolutely pedantic not only did you have the booth babes with the cheap Chinese promo objects. They turn the Moscone center into a goddamned forest, we're talking theme park level decor complete with furries. I found it cult-like and infantile. Seemed like people were eating it up, not really ever going back. -Grumpy 30 y/o dev

I sat in a fiber glass canoe with an oculus VR head set to play a custom made Salesforce game...

This company sells a CRM...

But what they really sell is a dream but you gotta pay to play. The bigger they get the more they take away.

Re: Child's play

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I do wonder why something so serious has turned into something so childish.

But then the other day I got a haircut and while waiting to pay spied a shelf full of beard products in that cute, hipster art style, the whole display blending in perfectly with all the other hair products. It's difficult to watch something we have defined as the apex of manliness (beards) being treated with the same tone of voice as cosmetics and children's toys.

Infantilisation is endemic at the moment, and I see it as part of a comprehensive attack on American masculinity.

Re: Child's play

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> "I hate being called 'IT'" Oh man I hate this. An "IT" job to me just means an admin job where the subject of the admin tasks happens to be computers. It's worse when "IT workers" try to lump actual technically-skilled roles in with them, like it's just another task to be performed.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I have nothing against actual IT workers, but grouping developers under "IT" is like referring to ER surgeons as EMTs.

IT also gives people the impression that one is a "computer expert", which can't be further from the truth for many developers. I happen to have a relatively detailed understanding of how computers work, but I'm by no means an expert on hardware, setting up large networks, troubleshooting, etc.

Yeah, taking Information Technology literally, we would fall under that. But so would someone operating a book press.

Re: Child's play

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post #31

I feel like we've been infantalizing an entire generation. From where I stand it seems like marketing to millenials is oddly pedantic. Meme culture, "doggos", baby talk in tweets and texts, "adulting" and the strange pedantic tone you see in ads, all feel connected. I'm not sure if it's developer thing, or just a cultural thing. Granted, I'm well aware the above is almost a caricature of what an old guy would say. Ha…

Well a couple of decades ago IBM for example had very "infantile" rules "fired for being seen in a Mc Donalds" let alone the older IBM songbook tradition!

Re: Child's play

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In current culture, especially SV, not all women are female. It is necessary to specify female if one is actually referring to biological sex instead of cultural gender. Some find this an annoying distinction but it is the cultural norm in an increasingly growing number of places.

But the story obviously wasn't referring to biological sex, but rather to the gender presented by the booth-worker. So "female" was also the incorrect term, besides being off-putting.

At Salesforce Trailhead, they gave us stickers for our pronouns...they didn't have mine.

-Forever Alone Attack Helicopter

Re: Child's play

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> "I hate being called 'IT'" Oh man I hate this. An "IT" job to me just means an admin job where the subject of the admin tasks happens to be computers. It's worse when "IT workers" try to lump actual technically-skilled roles in with them, like it's just another task to be performed.

Are we not supposed to not denigrate people needlessly on here?
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