In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010) • Hacker News Board

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by tajen » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:25 PM UTC

propman wrote: post #9

Yeahh we need regulations on Facebook. The fact that he retains a majority voting share in the company, the fact that I now have zero trust in Zuckerberg AND Sandberg into doing the right thing, AND that there is no viable competition/users are too psychologically entwined to make the decision to detach from Facebook means the only checks and balances left against this unscrupulous individual is the US government. Un…

> What’s stopping him ?

People’s intelligence? People are still able to tell lies from truth, media pressure from propaganda. The best proof is all media told americans not to vote for Trump, yet they did so.

And to the point, Zuck’s understanding of its electorate will get him votes or not. For example, Facebook’s censorship of republican topic is not something that gets votes. Facebook’s employment culture of getting rid of males and whites won’t get him much votes. It doesn’t depend how you spin it. It doesn’t matter how many times we explain or how much data they have on us, what matters is whether Mark personally understands whites, cis, both genders including males, etc.

Milo even made a tutorial about how Democrats could win back the white/male/cis vote again, it’s not like it’s not ELI5’ed already. Some people, from the top of any aparatus, still wouldn’t understand that stirring up hate against whites doesn’t get them votes.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by needToSay » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:29 PM UTC

_0vzt wrote: post #4

Facebook’s response to this story is revealing: > "We’re not going to debate the disgruntled litigants and anonymous sources who seek to rewrite Facebook’s early history or embarrass Mark Zuckerberg with dated allegations. The unquestioned fact is that since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago, Mark has led Facebook's growth from a college website to a global service playing an important role in t…

Fuck Zuck, let him burn in hell

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by hcnews » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:33 PM UTC

mainthread wrote: post #29

peacetreefrog wrote: post #21

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.

Good for him that he isn't black in today's America.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by bmpafa » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:33 PM UTC

mainthread wrote: post #29

peacetreefrog wrote: post #21

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.

If they lacked the foresight to be born wealthy and enroll in an ivy league college, that's their fault.

Cyni-casm aside, yours is a crucial point I think gets forgotten too often. Just yesterday I was scrolling through the comments on a Fox News post about an 18 year old who'd been sentenced to 25 yrs for being present during robbery when his friend killed someone.

Obviously substantially different crimes, but the comments were mostly people salivating at this "animal" getting "what he deserved."

Anyway, thanks for mentioning this point.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by peacetreefrog » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

_0vzt wrote: post #4

Facebook’s response to this story is revealing: > "We’re not going to debate the disgruntled litigants and anonymous sources who seek to rewrite Facebook’s early history or embarrass Mark Zuckerberg with dated allegations. The unquestioned fact is that since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago, Mark has led Facebook's growth from a college website to a global service playing an important role in t…

Note, again, this was their response when this article was written in 2010. "...since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago" is referring to 2004. Just clarifying, because when I first read this I thought, "what was Mark Zuckerburg doing in Harvard still in 2012?"

It'd be interesting to hear what they'd about it today though. Probably nothing.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by bmpafa » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:35 PM UTC

hcnews wrote: post #33

mainthread wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.

Good for him that he isn't black in today's America.

or rather, good for him he isn't poor? or would a black Harvard student have been prosecuted for this crime?

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by hcnews » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:38 PM UTC

propman wrote: post #9

Yeahh we need regulations on Facebook. The fact that he retains a majority voting share in the company, the fact that I now have zero trust in Zuckerberg AND Sandberg into doing the right thing, AND that there is no viable competition/users are too psychologically entwined to make the decision to detach from Facebook means the only checks and balances left against this unscrupulous individual is the US government. Un…

+1, I have absolutely zero confidence in Zuckerberg and Sandberg. The board should ask them to resign and appoint new people (obviously the most extreme ask from this scenario). As a user, I want facebook to stick around and be more useful to me in the future. Unfortunately I don't see the current people doing that.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by barbegal » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:41 PM UTC

I don't necessarily buy this story because the facts don't really add up and there is no real evidence that this occurred.

The source of the story is described to be one of Mark's friends "Here's how Mark described his hack to a friend" and not the journalists "We reached out to Tim McGinn and Elisabeth Theodore for comment. Both declined to comment.". Given the evidence is based on a verbal account to a friend there is a slim probability that Mark made the story up.

It also seems odd that the details of the hack are laid out so precisely. It is stated that he found the passwords to exactly two email accounts, one of which belonged to Tim McGinn given that "In one account he accessed, Mark saw an email from Crimson writer Tim McGinn to Cameron, Tyler, and Divya.". Mark looked for "members of the site who identified themselves as members of the Crimson" but it would have been easier to find the specific people involved instead. And why use failed login attempts if you have access to actual user passwords. I can't think of any reason why you'd log failed passwords but not real ones (except for maliciously stealing passwords).

Finally, how did the email from Elisabeth Theodore to Tim McGinn become public given neither commented on the story. From other parts of the story, it seems likely that Tim McGinn was a source (who else would have known about Mark getting upset with Tim on the phone). So it seems that Tim gave the email to Business Insider however Business Insider does not explicitly state that. This suggests that neither they nor Tim have any real evidence that this "hacking" actually occurred.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by fwdpropaganda » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:43 PM UTC

peacetreefrog wrote: post #21

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

> On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today.

I have seen no evidence that he changed when it comes to unethical behaviour.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Post by maxxxxx » Sun, Apr 08, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

hcnews wrote: post #33

mainthread wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people get life in prison for things they do at 19.

Good for him that he isn't black in today's America.

This week there was an event at the UFC where on of their biggest fighters (Conor McGregor) and a dozen or so of his associates attacked a bus, smashed windows and injured several people in the bus who then couldn't fight at the event. He posted 50k bail and is now on the way home to Ireland.

When I saw this I thought to myself if some poor black teenagers had done exactly the same thing they would be in jail for the next 10 years or be dead by now.