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Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by meri_dian »

Mononokay wrote: post #28
meri_dian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were those guns and gas used? Because of the hateful rhetoric of an evil man and an evil ideology.

Speech didn't kill them a single bit more than water did, if you're using that logic: What killed Holocaust victims? Gas. Why did they let that happen? Because the people forcing them to go in had guns. Why did they force them? Because they worked under a man who commanded that they be killed. How was he alive? Because he drank water, preventing him from dying of dehydration.

I guess we're both right then

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by chapill »

Mononokay wrote: post #30
chapill wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you agree that the motive in both cases is to take away constitutional rights.

No, I don't. The motive in the case of speech is to silence a populus/punish dissenters. The motive in the case of guns is quite overwhelmingly safety.

Then you truly cannot be enlightened. How very sad.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by Mononokay »

meri_dian wrote: post #31
Mononokay wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speech didn't kill them a single bit more than water did, if you're using that logic: What killed Holocaust victims? Gas. Why did they let that happen? Because the people forcing them to go in had guns. Why did they force them? Because they worked under a man who commanded that they be killed. How was he alive? Because he drank water, preventing him from dying of dehydration.

I guess we're both right then

Speech cannot directly kill anything. Guns, however, can.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by Mononokay »

chapill wrote: post #32
Mononokay wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I don't. The motive in the case of speech is to silence a populus/punish dissenters. The motive in the case of guns is quite overwhelmingly safety.

Then you truly cannot be enlightened. How very sad.

Enlightened? That's a very cultish way of putting "You'll never agree with our rhetoric."

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by meri_dian »

meri_dian wrote: post #31
Mononokay wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speech didn't kill them a single bit more than water did, if you're using that logic: What killed Holocaust victims? Gas. Why did they let that happen? Because the people forcing them to go in had guns. Why did they force them? Because they worked under a man who commanded that they be killed. How was he alive? Because he drank water, preventing him from dying of dehydration.

I guess we're both right then

So there wasn't torture destruction and murder on a mass scale before guns?

Humanity works itself into a fervor of anger sometimes. That is what kills people. The implements of anger are irrelevant.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by snowwrestler »

For folks who are not aware, there are like a dozen commercial products that already do this.

If you sign on with Cision, for example, you can pull an up-to-date list of reporters in any U.S. market, filtered by beat, outlet, channel, topic, etc., and send an email to all of them by pushing a button. Then you can click over to the monitoring dashboard and pull media stats by reporter, keyword, channel, etc. Can't remember if Cision does sentiment but I know a lot of others do.

This story is being reported and commented like "DHS seeks to create new tech capability." The reality is more like "DHS seeks to choose an agency who will use commercial OTS products to help DHS do something that any major brand has been doing for years already."

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by dang »

meri_dian wrote: post #19
Mononokay wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speech has never killed a man.

Tell that to the victims of the Holocaust

Would you please not take HN into the bowels of internet flamewar? Of all the things we don't need here.

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

#39

Post by dang »

chapill wrote: post #15

>Let's make a list of all gun owners >Let's make a list of all journalists Same thing, different amendment.

This comment breaks the HN guidelines badly, especially these:

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

... with predictably wretched results. Please don't do this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Homeland Security to Compile Database of Journalists, Bloggers

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Post by chapill »

dang wrote: post #39
chapill wrote: post #15

>Let's make a list of all gun owners >Let's make a list of all journalists Same thing, different amendment.

This comment breaks the HN guidelines badly, especially these: "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." ... with predictably wretched results. Please don't do this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You do see that I didn't start any flame war, but a responder did? It's not a generic tangent because it refers directly to the content of the article. The intention is to illuminate the similarities, and hopefully bring about some empathy for others who don't want to be on lists for exercising their rights...

I notice you didn't warn the anti rights person who did start the flamewar, because that person refuses to acknowledge similarities between the two situations.

I notice you have a tendency to attack me because you clearly disagree with my opinions.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16578470

I'm obviously not welcome here. I'll go. You won't need to worry about any more wrongthink from me. Enjoy enforcing your opinions on everyone. Your board, your rules.

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