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Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Is there ANY evidence that they don’t do what their privacy policy says they do?

Yeah, there is: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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post #25

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They have been loud, but it remains to be proven. The truth is that we don't really know what they do with our data.

Telling the FBI to bugger off when they came and asked apple to crack their own encryption isn't enough of an example, exigent as it may very well be, whatever your personal opinions of due process are?

I'm extremely glad they did that, and I absolutely give them credit for it. But it only proves that they were willing to stand up to the FBI. It doesn't prove anything else about how they handle your data and privacy. I'm not saying that they abuse it, I'm just saying that we don't know what they do.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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post #29

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> I have never seen an app that doesn't allow to completely deny location access. That's because Apple explicitly tests for that during app review, and will reject apps which crash or refuse to work if they're denied access to Location Services or other APIs (photos, contacts, microphone, etc).

So this is a non-issue. But technically, even if an app slips through the cracks and only allows "Always" and "While using the app" as options, you can force-quit the app without pressing either of the buttons on the modal and then deleting the app, thus not giving it any location information.

> ...even if an app slips through the cracks and only allows "Always" and "While using the app" as options...

It can't. The permissions UI is rendered by the OS, not by the application. There's no way to hide the option to deny permissions.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Apples fake privacy concerns. They allow apps like gas buddy to wholesale sell your real time location to governments by using vague language in their privacy policies (which I cannot even find a link to on their homepage).

You have control over your data: you can choose whether GasBuddy has access to your location always, never, or only during use. This is one case where iOS widgets can impact your privacy: setting it to 'only during use' also qualifies the widget to refresh your location when it displays. It's not obvious to me whether any access of the widget screen is sufficient or whether you have to scroll past/to the GasBuddy wid…

>its CEO has strong personal reasons for valuing [privacy]

I don't know what this is referring to, could you please share?

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

#35

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You have control over your data: you can choose whether GasBuddy has access to your location always, never, or only during use. This is one case where iOS widgets can impact your privacy: setting it to 'only during use' also qualifies the widget to refresh your location when it displays. It's not obvious to me whether any access of the widget screen is sufficient or whether you have to scroll past/to the GasBuddy wid…

>its CEO has strong personal reasons for valuing [privacy] I don't know what this is referring to, could you please share?

He's gay.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have control over your data: you can choose whether GasBuddy has access to your location always, never, or only during use. This is one case where iOS widgets can impact your privacy: setting it to 'only during use' also qualifies the widget to refresh your location when it displays. It's not obvious to me whether any access of the widget screen is sufficient or whether you have to scroll past/to the GasBuddy wid…

>its CEO has strong personal reasons for valuing [privacy] I don't know what this is referring to, could you please share?

A gay man raised in Alabama.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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This new SDK doesn't help advertisers or users. Being able to assess the quality of users coming from different ad networks is crucial for any advertiser to assess the quality of their spend. Some ad networks might generate high quality legitimate users, while others are fraught with click fraud, or low quality users. Since an advertiser isn't able to tell which users came from an ad, no advertiser will adopt it.

If Apple really wanted to protect user privacy, they would provide something similar to the iAd Framework they provide for their own Apple App Store Ads, where the app can ping the iAd Framework to tell if the user installed the app from an Apple App Store ad and monitor the users long term engagement, while Apple handles all the attribution on their end. If Apple took the same approach they use for their own App Store Ads it would be a big step forward in helping protect user privacy and eliminate the need for all the fingerprinting, etc that some ad networks do.

The fact they didn't, I feel this is nothing more than a fluff PR move by Apple and does not seem genuine.

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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post #25

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Telling the FBI to bugger off when they came and asked apple to crack their own encryption isn't enough of an example, exigent as it may very well be, whatever your personal opinions of due process are?

I'm extremely glad they did that, and I absolutely give them credit for it. But it only proves that they were willing to stand up to the FBI. It doesn't prove anything else about how they handle your data and privacy. I'm not saying that they abuse it, I'm just saying that we don't know what they do.

All we can do is look at the information so far and it indicates they care about privacy: https://www.apple.com/privacy/ and more specifically https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-request...

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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Is there ANY evidence that they don’t do what their privacy policy says they do?

Yeah, there is: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

That is proof that Apple follows local laws. Just like every other American company doing business in China.

For instance, Microsoft.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/china/china-overview-...

Re: Apple’s New Ad Conversion Tracking Will Benefit User Privacy

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>The new APIs are part of the StoreKit framework and include a new class called SKAdNetwork. >With the new set of APIs, Apple will become the intermediary between the app and advertising network for conversion tracking, eliminating the need for apps to install third-party ad SDKs which potentially expose sensitive user data. Am I missing something or is this not really any different than the 3rd party ad SDK problem…

the difference is: with facebook sdk, facebook has all the user data. with google sdk, google has all the user data. with apple new sdk, apple has all the data.

besides that, with the 2 previous sdk, advertisers know if the install was from a good user vs a abandoned user/bot that installed it once and vanished. the new apple sdk conveniently will not let advertisers make that distinction.

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