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The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

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Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

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"When Apple's iPhone4 was nearing production, Foxconn and Apple discovered that the metal frame was so specialized that it could be made only by an expensive, low-volume machine usually reserved for prototypes. Apple's designers wouldn't budge on their specs, so Gou ordered more than 1,000 of the $20,000 machines from Tokyo-based Fanuc. Most companies have just one."

So?

I knew this was coming when I didn't elaborate on my response, but I don't really see what the parent was trying to get at. Apple uses Foxconn/Hon Hai because they are the biggest and the best at mass manufacturing consumer electronics. Foxconn is the only EMS company with the scale to depress supply chain costs to a point where they can actually make money on tiny margin products (like cell phones, mp3 players, and even PCs[1]). I am 100% sure the tooling debate arose during the planning phase, and I'm also 100% sure that it's in both Foxconn's and Apple's best interest for Apple not to have to go elsewhere. At the end of the day, a machinery investment like this isn't just going to support the iPhone contract (though it will be used by Foxconn in future negotiations, I'm sure), but other similar business they win. Here's another tidbit: Foxconn doesn't use Fuji pick & place machines. Anecdotally I've heard it's because Fuji is a Japanese company, and since there's a viable non-Japanese alternative -- Siemens[2] -- there's no need to use Fuji. However, what Foxconn did was negotiate an exclusive contract with Siemens so that they'd have the exclusive manufacturing contract for Siemens Siplace line and in return they'd commit to only using the Siemens equipment themselves. At their scale -- thousands of SMT lines, with each machine costing in the $250k range, this saves many millions each year.

I work in this industry and am happy to answer any questions about electronics manufacturing.

[1] Taiwanese companies like Quanta and Compal are excelling at laptop design and manufacturing, and in some cases Acer and Asus still build their own products, but almost all of it is outsourced to Quanta & Compal. [2] http://ea.automation.siemens.com/11116/Products/Placement-Sy...

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#32
post #7

So %0.0012 (11/920'000) of their workforce has committed suicide? What is the average percentage of suicide deaths in that age range in china?

From World Health Organization, 1999 for "selected rural & urban areas", the suicide rate is 13.0 (male) 14.8 (female) suicide per 100,000. Wolfram Alpha shows 20.9 suicide per 100,000 persons per year. Both looks pretti high compared to other countries. http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicider... http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=china+suicide+rate

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#33
post #10

"Foxconn founder Terry Gou might be regarded as Henry Ford reincarnated if only a dozen of his workers hadn't killed themselves this year" Ouch, that's a cold way to start an article - odd considering they go into detail his charitable works later on in the article.

If you knew him, or knew people who have had personal relationships with him, you'd understand why this is a reasonable lead-in.

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#34
post #19

What is a 'postmodern industrial empire'? I'm not sure it makes any sense, like the gradient of a cow.

If you take ‘postmodern’ as denoting merely time (say, post-1980s) it does make sense.

...yeah, but that's not what it means.

Although I suppose letting words mean whatever you want them to mean is fairly postmodern.

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#35

What is a 'postmodern industrial empire'? I'm not sure it makes any sense, like the gradient of a cow.

Hmm. Postmodernism denies the existence of objective truth, right? Sounds perfect for PR and marketing.

Customer: "My laptop caught fire. My legs are scarred for life. Don't you guys do any QA?"

Marketeer: "Tsk. You're such an absolutist. Our preferred viewpoint is that you engaged in a thermal interaction with your ZX-Q17/6, did irreparable damage to its electrometabolic essence, and caused your legs to transform to a uniquely valuable configuration."

Customer: "...now my legs are scarred for life, and my head hurts."

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#37
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States Army has a suicide rate of 20.2/100,000. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/suic-j06.shtml

Of course! These people are in a war! They get slaughtered, they slaughter, they can get woken up anytime by a crazy ally shooting everybody! They can't trust even most common items as they can be stuffed with explosives. They can't trust the locals because they might be after them. Would you like your workplace to be like that? I mean, I hope that there is no workplace as stressful as a war.

I fear there is. Street prostitutes aren't doing very well.

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#38
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take ‘postmodern’ as denoting merely time (say, post-1980s) it does make sense.

...yeah, but that's not what it means. Although I suppose letting words mean whatever you want them to mean is fairly postmodern.

Excellent point.

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#39

It's like this guy has been stalking me my entire life: ... he bought a couple of plastic molding machines and started making channel-changing knobs for black-and-white televisions. His first customer was Chicago-based Admiral TV, and he soon got deals to supply RCA, Zenith, and Philips (PHG). My family owned an RCA black-and-white TV in the seventies. This guy made the knobs for my childhood TV. Gou's first break ca…

Was the connector memorable in a good or bad way?

Re: The Man Who Makes Your iPhone

#40
post #10

"Foxconn founder Terry Gou might be regarded as Henry Ford reincarnated if only a dozen of his workers hadn't killed themselves this year" Ouch, that's a cold way to start an article - odd considering they go into detail his charitable works later on in the article.

As far as nearly comparing him to Henry Ford..in the book "New World Coming" it is mentioned that Henry Ford came up with the term "Messiah Machine" which I find unsettling when I associate it with industrialization, factory work, and this story.
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