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Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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The injustice aside, I wonder if Nazis fleeing German might have had the side effect of making German reconstruction easier while limiting those who fled into making chocolate in Bariloche under fake names.

But on the other hand there was Klaus Barbie.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Oh wow whaaat? Argentina? But why, it's not like the nazis excaped to there after shit hit the fan...

As an Argentinean I'm deeply saddened by the discovery of such widerlich artefakte. Argentina harboring nazis? ha ha that's verrückt.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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These are historical artifacts now, right? Is it illegal in Argentina to own things like that? I can see the reasoning if so, just curious.

It is indeed!

Which part is illegal? The historic artifact bit or the Nazi bit? It seems weird to have so many resources dedicated to tracking down someone collecting hour glasses and statues.

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Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

Sorry, but to the western world it is a symbol of genocide and a dark time in history, it will never be reclaimed. No one cares about the previous history of the symbol, it is forever tarnished.

By that rational we should also hate churches -- they after all have crosses on them and those have been appropriated by groups like the clan to project a message of hate.

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A few million people died under that misappropriated symbol though. It sucks you can't use it for its intended message anymore, but most peoples' sympathies lie elsewhere.

Should we also abandon cross? So many people died during the Crusades

Quite a few people died on the crosses themselves, including one very well-remembered.

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Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

What a bullshit excuse to post a swastika on HN, and an attempt to rehabilitate and normalize the symbols of Nazism. The haters always find a way around the rules. The problem with Nazism obviously isn't the loss of this symbol; that's not what needs addressing. If you read the strategies of the White Christian supremacists, they say not to make statements that others find outrageous but to gently push the envelope a…

Please keep these absurd flamewars off HN.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Should we also abandon cross? So many people died during the Crusades

Quite a few people died on the crosses themselves, including one very well-remembered.

To be perfectly fair, though... it is a morbid symbol.

Had the Romans been fond of hanging, Christians might be walking around wearing nooses around their necks.

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What a bullshit excuse to post a swastika on HN, and an attempt to rehabilitate and normalize the symbols of Nazism. The haters always find a way around the rules. The problem with Nazism obviously isn't the loss of this symbol; that's not what needs addressing. If you read the strategies of the White Christian supremacists, they say not to make statements that others find outrageous but to gently push the envelope a…

> What a bullshit excuse to post a swastika on HN. The haters always find a way around the rules. The problem with Nazism obviously isn't the symbol Of course the problem isn't the symbol. It's people like you. On one hand you claim that I used an excuse to do something very wrong- post the symbol. And call me a hater. On the other hand you say the problem isn't the symbol.

We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines.

This sort of flamewar is quite off topic here.

Re: Large collection of Nazi artifacts discovered in Argentina (2017)

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Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. The sadder thing is people falling over each other to acknowledge it as a hate symbol rather than trying to reclaim it. How about those of is who actually want to end hate end our comments with this 卐?

> Yes. The sadder thing is people not knowing swastika's history and that it is auspicious for almost 2 billion people including me a, a Buddhist. You, and your fellow Buddhists, need to realize that Hitler had a far more profound impact on Western civilization (unfortunately) than did the Buddha, and that Westerners who recognize the swastika as a symbol of hate do so because for half the world, and most of a centur…

> no one in the West is likely ever going to see a Nazi swastika and see a manji first

You're assuming that anti-Holocaust people are going to outlast pro-Holocaust people, but based on history this seems like a questionable assumption. E.g. it took less than 50 years for LoTR to go from an anti-war parable inspired by the horrors of WW1, to being an action movie glorifying indiscriminate killing. Similarly, compare the photos of people standing in front of Auschwitz with the photos that come up in GIS of people standing in front of the Colosseum:

https://www.123rf.com/photo_36629433_happy-mother-and-baby-g...

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