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Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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That's correct. Source: Current AMZN employee

Correct, however they also give 2 signing bonuses, that bring you to an "equivalent" total compensation, so at least you are getting straight cash, not hoping for a stock payout that may not come.

Other top companies also give signing bonuses as well as the usual vesting schedule, so I'm not sure this really evens it out.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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So SNAP lays off another 7% of their workforce to save $34M a year whilst their CEO pockets $638M in compensation (3rd highest CEO payout ever) before they're remotely close to profitability. Not sure if company-wide layoffs and paying their CEO more are going to achieve their growth/profitability aspirations.

The logical conclusion of today's corporate structure is a company with a single employee, the CEO, who is paid all the profits, while all the actual labour is performed by zero-hour sub-minimum-wage contractors, all either funded by VC money or floated but posting zero dividends.

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Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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This is why the 10/20/30/40 vesting schedule which companies like Snap have is so problematic. Snap is laying people off and are saying that they expect to save a large amount of costs related to stock based compensation because of it (given they are a business I don't blame them for this line of thinking). However, from the laid off employee perspective this is pretty bad: 1) they worked hard to get Snap to this poi…

> 10/20/30/40 vesting schedule What does this mean?

I suspect (and somebody else please correct me if I'm wrong) that it refers to how much of your options vest over a period of time.

So you'd get 10 percent of your options after one year, another 20 percent at the end of your second year, another 30 percent at the end of your third, and the remaining 40 percent at the end of your fourth year.

Note that in order to collect even half of your options, you need to work there for three years.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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This is why the 10/20/30/40 vesting schedule which companies like Snap have is so problematic. Snap is laying people off and are saying that they expect to save a large amount of costs related to stock based compensation because of it (given they are a business I don't blame them for this line of thinking). However, from the laid off employee perspective this is pretty bad: 1) they worked hard to get Snap to this poi…

> 10/20/30/40 vesting schedule What does this mean?

If I am correct, it means you can make use of 10% of stock options that you are given as compensation after the first year of employment, 30% after the second year, 60% after the third, and all of it after the fourth.

It means that you have barely more than a quarter even after two years, and barely more than half after three.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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I feel so underpaid right now it's not even funny.

Even considering insurance/benefits, stock options, and various bonuses, 400K/year is a lot more compared to 150K.

Note that the 400k/year is cost per employee, which does not directly translate to "paychecks and benefits per employee".

The employer pays payroll taxes, needs to pay rent on square footage for the office to support the employee, etc. That's all going into cost per employee, but isn't money the employee sees directly.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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If the service can be implemented as a decentralized autonomous corporation running on a Blockchain you might not even need the CEO.

Who can then pocket all the money?

The GPs at the venture funds, just like nature intended.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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> 10/20/30/40 vesting schedule What does this mean?

I suspect (and somebody else please correct me if I'm wrong) that it refers to how much of your options vest over a period of time. So you'd get 10 percent of your options after one year, another 20 percent at the end of your second year, another 30 percent at the end of your third, and the remaining 40 percent at the end of your fourth year. Note that in order to collect even half of your options, you need to work t…

This is correct. Snap has this structure in place before their ipo.

Source: I had an offer from Snap 3yrs back which I rejected because of this.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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If the service can be implemented as a decentralized autonomous corporation running on a Blockchain you might not even need the CEO.

Who can then pocket all the money?

The Smart Contract.

Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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Re: Snap expects layoffs to save $34M a year

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You're conflating two very different things as it pertains to their actual business. The CEO compensation is coming from diluting shareholders, he's receiving stock compensation there. That $638m doesn't cost them cash. Is it morally obnoxious to be rewarding an outsized pay package on a business that is financially struggling to survive? Of course, it's reprehensible in my opinion, however that value judgment is ent…

I don't see how they are "very different things". That stock has a monetary value, does it not? They could offer it to their employees in exchange for a salary reduction totaling those $34M/year. Alternatively, they could have sold that stock. Or taken a loan using that stock as collateral.

> They could offer it to their employees in exchange for a salary reduction totaling those $34M/year.

It doesn't really matter. If the business is unsustainable then all such moves won't cut it anyway. Businesses typically lay people off when things aren't going well, and things aren't going well for snap.

They could pay them that money today but what about tomorrow?

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