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Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll hold off on votes or flagging, while I wait for some evidence commensurate to your claim that courts favor women. Is that acceptable?

Here's some evidence. It...does not support his ideas. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/the-div...

Unless I'm missing something, the article you linked to conflates anecdotes from America with statistics from England and Wales. Other problems abound in the article. Incredibly sloppy job on the part of The Atlantic.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

#33
post #27

Buried Lede: "But people of different races and genders still fare differently under the guidelines. Race looms large, according to a November 2017 report from the sentencing commission. It found that black men in federal court are sentenced to 19.1 percent more time, on average, than white men who, at least on paper, committed the same crimes and have similar criminal histories."

Compared to the statement "sentences for men are on average 63 percent longer than sentences for women", I think one number is a bit bigger than the other.

There seems to exist three major influences that "dictate" the outcome of a case. Gender and race of the accused, and the blood sugar level on the judge and jury. If you build a prediction model where only those variables are known then you would likely get quite scary accurate results.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

#34

Eh, I say throw the book at all criminals regardless of gender. I'm a big proponent of putting females on the front lines of war too if the U.S. truly stands for equality. Having grown up as a ward of the court, I have seen judges sentence women to lighter sentences since they view these women as their daughters or mothers that made a one time mistake, in contrast to the men who judges deem useless and dangerous crim…

There are absolutely crimes and criminals that should be punished more severely, but there's also a place for compassion in the justice system. Many men did make a one-time mistake (or sometimes not even that) and get harshly punished for it. At the same time, there are also men who get a slap on the wrist for crimes that are usually punished more severely. Usually men who are rich, white and/or well connected.

There's way to much bias based on irrelevant circumstances in the US justice system. Black men in particular need a bit more mercy, rich white people need more accountability, women need to be taken more seriously in both directions.

First an foremost, though, the US prison-industrial complex needs to end. Profiting from imprisonment creates perverse incentives. The goal of the prison system needs to be rehabilitation, not corporate profit at the expensive of the people.

Re: Women Aren’t Always Sentenced by the Book. Maybe Men Shouldn’t Be, Either

#35
post #34

Eh, I say throw the book at all criminals regardless of gender. I'm a big proponent of putting females on the front lines of war too if the U.S. truly stands for equality. Having grown up as a ward of the court, I have seen judges sentence women to lighter sentences since they view these women as their daughters or mothers that made a one time mistake, in contrast to the men who judges deem useless and dangerous crim…

There are absolutely crimes and criminals that should be punished more severely, but there's also a place for compassion in the justice system. Many men did make a one-time mistake (or sometimes not even that) and get harshly punished for it. At the same time, there are also men who get a slap on the wrist for crimes that are usually punished more severely. Usually men who are rich, white and/or well connected. There…

White women, rich or not, tend to most often get a slap on the wrist.
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