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Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by colordrops »

chx wrote: post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

And you appear to be a (probably unwitting) agent of US propaganda.

Edit: I'm getting down voted to hell, so I'll clarify: the narrative that Assange is a Russian agent is absolutely US propaganda. The US government has been smearing Assange and Wikileaks for at least 8 years, and was even caught red-handed hiring Palantir and HBGary to enact a media and infiltration campaign to destroy Wikileaks:

http://www.businessinsider.com/palantir-wikileaks-apology-20...

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by colordrops »

atonse wrote: post #18
tway923423 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia How about judging the information on its merits, not its source? Why does it matter one wink if you don't like the leakers?

Intent matters. There's a difference between a whistleblower wanting to expose things that violate the constitution because they want those things to stop, and a foreign agent exposing the same actions, but with the intent to destabilize people's trust in their government. The end result might be the same. But to say it doesn't matter where a leak came from, is to also say that whistleblowers are no different from fo…

I don't find most sources of information trustworthy. I just want to get info from opposing sources with conflicting goals, which helps put together the whole picture.

I full support Russia Today (RT) despite being obviously backed by the Russian government because they are willing to talk about things that no US media outlet will touch. It's despicable that Google publicly and vocally denounces them and de-rates their results in search and news.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by avs733 »

dylan-m wrote: post #10
FireBeyond wrote: post #7

> I have already fully served any theoretical (I haven’t been charged) ‘bail violation’ whilst in prison and under house arrest. So why is there a warrant for my arrest?” Not in the least bit arrogant. "Well, I hid out here because I feared extradition. That should basically count as my sentence for violating bail, right?"

Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/651/ . For someone who spends his time distributing leaked government documents, he sure has a … peculiar understanding of how the law works. (At least, how it works 99.9% of the time).

I don't mean this to sound like a cheap shot at Julian because, as many do, I have mixed feelings about him. However, what you are describing is CLASSIC narcissism.

That doesn't effect his work, or shouldn't really, but it does explain his personal actions and martyr complex.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by s2g »

alacombe wrote: post #17
chx wrote: post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

Aren't we getting enough Russia bashing from the MSM ?

No. Not nearly enough.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by colordrops »

atonse wrote: post #18
tway923423 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia How about judging the information on its merits, not its source? Why does it matter one wink if you don't like the leakers?

Intent matters. There's a difference between a whistleblower wanting to expose things that violate the constitution because they want those things to stop, and a foreign agent exposing the same actions, but with the intent to destabilize people's trust in their government. The end result might be the same. But to say it doesn't matter where a leak came from, is to also say that whistleblowers are no different from fo…

Intent doesn't matter. It's information. Judge it on evidence and truth and take it or leave it. No amount of twisted logic will make intent relevant.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by s2g »

colordrops wrote: post #32
atonse wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intent matters. There's a difference between a whistleblower wanting to expose things that violate the constitution because they want those things to stop, and a foreign agent exposing the same actions, but with the intent to destabilize people's trust in their government. The end result might be the same. But to say it doesn't matter where a leak came from, is to also say that whistleblowers are no different from fo…

I don't find most sources of information trustworthy. I just want to get info from opposing sources with conflicting goals, which helps put together the whole picture. I full support Russia Today (RT) despite being obviously backed by the Russian government because they are willing to talk about things that no US media outlet will touch. It's despicable that Google publicly and vocally denounces them and de-rates the…

You fully support a propaganda agency?

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by antocv »

s2g wrote: post #34
alacombe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't we getting enough Russia bashing from the MSM ?

No. Not nearly enough.

Yes I did get the memo. This is 2018, now Russia takes the place of "axis of evil" Iraq and Taleban. A greater axis of evil. Much feared bear.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by robotrout »

sdhgaiojfsa wrote: post #28
vondur wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really need something like Wikileaks to expose how corrupt Russia’s government is? I’m pretty sure it’s common knowledge now.

That would kinda seem to be the point of it.

From three seconds of googling.

Wikileaks releases documents it claims detail Russia mass surveillance apparatus https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/wikileaks-releases-documen...

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by colordrops »

s2g wrote: post #36
colordrops wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find most sources of information trustworthy. I just want to get info from opposing sources with conflicting goals, which helps put together the whole picture. I full support Russia Today (RT) despite being obviously backed by the Russian government because they are willing to talk about things that no US media outlet will touch. It's despicable that Google publicly and vocally denounces them and de-rates the…

You fully support a propaganda agency?

Most of what comes out of US mainstream media is propaganda. I support alternate sources in conjunction with those.

What I don't support is getting all your info from a single narrative.

Edit: there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by s2g »

drinchev wrote: post #9

> The move came after Assange tweeted on Monday challenging Britain’s accusation that Russia was responsible for the nerve agent poisoning of a Russian former double agent and his daughter in the English city of Salisbury earlier this month. So it's actually not so wrong to think that Russia is not >proven I doubt that here, on HN, most of us would go so deep with conspiracy, but rational thinking did not lead me to…

You trust Assane on anything to do with Russia?
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