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Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by chrissnell »

ebbv wrote: post #25

Why is this guy's legal troubles news? Honestly. There's tons of rich jerks like him who have legal troubles that we don't hear about. But for some reason he likes to put out press releases about every step of the way and then they actually get picked up and upvoted on sites like this. Why? I really don't understand. It's not like he's some principled crusader fighting for a precedent that affects all of us. He's jus…

This is not Kim Schmitz's first involvement in illegal activities. He's no folk hero.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by logfromblammo »

DavidNielsen wrote: post #18
ponderatul wrote: post #9

I always wanted to know how is the damage done determined ? "U.S. authorities say Dotcom and three co-accused Megaupload executives cost film studios and record companies more than $500 million and generated more than $175 million by encouraging paying users to store and share copyrighted material." Distributing copyrighted stuff is illegal, period. But the way those calculations are made worries me. Do they start fr…

Rob Reid did a funny 5min TED Talk on this called the 8 Billion dollar iPod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 He used the same premise when he wrote the comedy sci-fi book Year Zero, the story of naive aliens accidentally pirating all of Earths music and the legal consequences thereof, i.e. owning the citizens of Earth literally all the money in the universe leading to the ruination of their delightfully h…

Maybe we should execute an international copyright convention that specifies that the public domain is only free for Earth people. We could own two entire universes someday.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by Mononokay »

ebbv wrote: post #25

Why is this guy's legal troubles news? Honestly. There's tons of rich jerks like him who have legal troubles that we don't hear about. But for some reason he likes to put out press releases about every step of the way and then they actually get picked up and upvoted on sites like this. Why? I really don't understand. It's not like he's some principled crusader fighting for a precedent that affects all of us. He's jus…

> He's just some creep who got rich off of deliberately running a site that facilitated piracy

He actually got rich off of the Dot Com bubble years before, which is why he changed his name to Kim Dotcom.

He embodies a lot of the stereotypical hacker image that people have - overweight, hacked the Pentagon+NASA+Citibank before he was old enough to drink in the US, a touch dramatic, etc. It's only natural that he's given a bit of attention.

Not to mention he really didn't break any law - Section 230 made site-owners not responsible for content posted to their site unless they failed to remove it, and MegaUpload complied with DMCA requests all the time.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by [deleted] »

jashmatthews wrote: post #13
imglorp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Ordinarily for white collar crime, you'd expect a knock on the door and to be handed a summons, not full terrorism mode. You'd also expect your government to follow its due process, again not denying rights in full terrorism mode. Oligarchy at work.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Not in New Zealand, they don't. Although Hollywood did put pressure on the NZ government to do a full tactical raid on this guys house.

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Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by shawabawa3 »

jashmatthews wrote: post #13
imglorp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Ordinarily for white collar crime, you'd expect a knock on the door and to be handed a summons, not full terrorism mode. You'd also expect your government to follow its due process, again not denying rights in full terrorism mode. Oligarchy at work.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Not in New Zealand, they don't. Although Hollywood did put pressure on the NZ government to do a full tactical raid on this guys house.

They broke into the guys house with loaded automatic weapons.

That's putting everyone involved in lethal danger, no matter what country it's in

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by xtrapolate »

mtgx wrote: post #14
aogl wrote: post #2

Awarded NZ$60,000 for “loss of dignity and injury to feelings” haha

I assume you're laughing because the sum was so small. It should have been at least 100x larger, in the millions.

Why are you being down-voted? What's going on? This case has been going on for years; he has been through hell. How is this a proper reimbursement?

Edit: Forgot it's yet another echo chamber community.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by some_account »

ponderatul wrote: post #9

I always wanted to know how is the damage done determined ? "U.S. authorities say Dotcom and three co-accused Megaupload executives cost film studios and record companies more than $500 million and generated more than $175 million by encouraging paying users to store and share copyrighted material." Distributing copyrighted stuff is illegal, period. But the way those calculations are made worries me. Do they start fr…

I would go as far to say that 99% of downloaded movies or games would not get bought if the person had to buy it.

Their numbers are pure fiction.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by djsumdog »

jashmatthews wrote: post #13
imglorp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Ordinarily for white collar crime, you'd expect a knock on the door and to be handed a summons, not full terrorism mode. You'd also expect your government to follow its due process, again not denying rights in full terrorism mode. Oligarchy at work.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Not in New Zealand, they don't. Although Hollywood did put pressure on the NZ government to do a full tactical raid on this guys house.

NZ cops do carry guns, just typically not on their person. They're locked in the boot of their vehicles. I have seen an NZ officer with their firearm on them and it's weird enough that everyone takes notice; like seeing litter in a mall in Singapore.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by djsumdog »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #35
jashmatthews wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A police raid is no laughing matter. People die all the time, so it's fortunate nobody got hurt. Not in New Zealand, they don't. Although Hollywood did put pressure on the NZ government to do a full tactical raid on this guys house.

They broke into the guys house with loaded automatic weapons. That's putting everyone involved in lethal danger, no matter what country it's in

And Many people who used Megaupload for legit data storage lost all of it after the US raids. Customer data still hasn't been recovered.

Re: Kim Dotcom wins battle in ongoing fight against U.S. extradition

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Post by anc84 »

balabaster wrote: post #29

They should make a movie about this guy :D

Only if it includes his illegal and disgusting previous activities, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom#Legal_investigation... and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom#Werdegang
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