Imagine being the guy trying to strap in a bear.
"Are you sure it's too drugged to move?"
"Yes"
"Its claw twitched... its humongous claw twitched."
"That's fine. Pick her up and strap her in."
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#32Humans need to have some fucking respect.
It's the reality of testing. You have no idea how many animals died to produce every drug you've ever taken:
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1676-5-horrifyin...
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#33Go bears! ;)
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.
... that's really no excuse? 1. How many animals have humans driven to extinction now? Perhaps they would not be extinct were people to treat them with greater respect. 2. If you treat an animal with respect the tables will never have an opportunity to turn, because you won't be blatantly trespassing on it's turf.
What if you are just out for a run?
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#35Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule
#36Humans need to have some fucking respect.
They do. For human life.
Edited to clarify: that wasn't a criticism.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.
... that's really no excuse? 1. How many animals have humans driven to extinction now? Perhaps they would not be extinct were people to treat them with greater respect. 2. If you treat an animal with respect the tables will never have an opportunity to turn, because you won't be blatantly trespassing on it's turf.
2. Pretty much all human buildings are on land that was previously occupied by animals and those animals are now excluded from those areas. Do you want to demolish human civilization and cut the population down to numbers small enough that we can all survive eating vegetables from places that animals can't reach?
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Early this on, the process of building physically accurate "fake humans" was not really possible. Bear tests were probably more an early proof of viability than anything else. The bears survived, proving that humans wouldn't be completely annihilated. Animal testing cruelty wasn't really being thought about heavily in post WWII military aerospace development. It's unfortunate but a historical footnote reminding us of…
Logging the max acceleration in x,y,z would have been better than throwing a bear out of plane. Knowing a bear survives is ridiculous and they knew it. Ethics are orthogonal, cadavers would have ben a better choice.
What can you compare that acceleration data to? Put a human on a shaker table and measure his brain damage? At some point you have to damage humans or animals to find out their limits.
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#39This is horrible science. A bear surviving an ejection is nothing like a human surviving an ejection.
Sadly we weren't there to inform them of that /s
(Seriously, who said it has to be exactly "like" it? We use crash test dummies for testing car crash behavior, and they're nothing "like" humans either).
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#40This is horrible science. A bear surviving an ejection is nothing like a human surviving an ejection.
Early this on, the process of building physically accurate "fake humans" was not really possible. Bear tests were probably more an early proof of viability than anything else. The bears survived, proving that humans wouldn't be completely annihilated. Animal testing cruelty wasn't really being thought about heavily in post WWII military aerospace development. It's unfortunate but a historical footnote reminding us of…
>Animal testing cruelty wasn't really being thought about heavily in post WWII military aerospace development
Considering that the endpoint is machines killing actual people, it would be the height of hypocrisy in my books for them to care about "animal testing cruelty".