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Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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Sleepless in Seattle anyone?

House boats on lake union are pretty expensive these days and definitely not a way to save on rent.

I looked at that as an option here (Toronto) to escape ridiculous rents and the price of a berth is absolutely astronomical. The boats themselves sell in excess of $700K, which while cheaper than a house, a house doesn't have $3000/mo. plus in berthing fees.

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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This is a bullshit story for sure. Anyone who lives in Seattle knows this is simply not true. If you move south to Kent or Tacoma you will find a lot of places with a decent rent. Same if you start moving north to Shoreline and above. Those places are not far from Seattle. If you live in a freaking RV in downtown that's definitely your choice.

I don't make 250k, my wife's income included, and we own a home just north of Seattle. I bus it in and she drives to her job in Ballard. That must be some new hipster trend, 'cause that ain't forced =[

If it isn't some hipster trend, they should hit up some Seattle companies...

not to be crass, but in the past week I've had a few recruiters from there write me about interesting (and probably better paying compared to here) job opportunities that I've had to turn down because I'm 1) not very interested in moving to the US right now, and 2) somewhat rooted here in Toronto at the moment.

Unrelated to the last bit, but related to my experience: sounds like just hipster stuff to me. That, or maybe a quiet protest of sorts— or both. If they're happy, and functional, and it's not a problem to people, then I'm not sure it's worth much worry.

Just a little further north in Vancouver... now that's a homeless problem. (East Hastings area, for the unaware)

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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I wouldn't classify living in an RV as "homeless". Lots of people do that and just pick up mail in a post office box. There are people near me living on boats, because the monthly slip fees are cheaper than rent. That doesn't make them homeless or poor.

RV is unstable housing which is categorized as homeless. Boat slips are long term housing.

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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Don’t worry guys, we just need a few more rounds of QE to fix the economy.

You mean tax cuts.

I mean, QE was the medicine prescribed post 2008. Seems to have worked out well for the asset holders. Everyone else, not so much. Thanks Obama!

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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One couple choosing to live in an RV doesn't make a good argument for that.

Agree! Here's a better data point, where the Seattle mayor says as much (while announcing $100 million investment in affordable housing because there is so little). “Too many long-time residents are getting locked out and pushed out of Seattle,” Durkan said in a statement. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-t... That's why it's not the best idea to use subsidies to lure one of the largest tech…

> That's why it's not the best idea to use subsidies to lure one of the largest tech companies in the world to your town. Available housing declines, it takes far too long in the feedback cycle for new housing to be built, and you've made the city marginally worse for anyone who isn't a tech worker.

On the other hand, your city gets a ton more wealthy and existing homeowners essentially win the lottery.

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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One couple choosing to live in an RV doesn't make a good argument for that.

In seattle there are tons of people living in vans. at the grocery store near my house on the east side, i see rvs in the parking lot of the grocery. they go somewhere in the night. in seattle, south of the stadiums there are rvs on side streets, just like this story. even in kirkland there was an rv on the street with a suspicious looking bucket behind it. I think living in your rv is more common than you might expe…

Yes, a lot of people live in vans or on the streets. The issue is saying that's the new middle class. That's the part that's not at all true. Most people living in a sketchy RV by the stadium are not 9-5 office workers who are priced out of the city.

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't make 250k, my wife's income included, and we own a home just north of Seattle. I bus it in and she drives to her job in Ballard. That must be some new hipster trend, 'cause that ain't forced =[

What does “just North of Seattle” mean? What city/neighborhood? And more importantly when did you buy it?

Agreed. There is a huge difference in having bought just three or four years ago versus now. The median price in the city has skyrocketed to $777k and on the Eastside it's just short of $1 million. Even in Shoreline, I don't see anything for under $400k on Redfin. "Just north of Seattle" used to mean Shoreline or Lake Forest Park. These days, it's the Alderwood side of Lynnwood and almost up to Paine Field.

(Also, there's a pretty big gap in salary of "we don't make $250k and we own." It's possible to buy a $600k house on under $200k/year and $600k will still buy you something even in Bellevue.)

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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I wouldn't classify living in an RV as "homeless". Lots of people do that and just pick up mail in a post office box. There are people near me living on boats, because the monthly slip fees are cheaper than rent. That doesn't make them homeless or poor.

In Seattle, most of the RV people tend to be homeless and use the RV to camp out in on-street parking. It's a big issue.

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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I joke that the way to afford rent in LA is to live in your car. I grew up there and last visit I had one friend who sleeps in his van when he sublets his apartment and another who was looking to buy a van to live rent free for a while. It's amazing that we haven't started building upward yet.

A van parked at the Berkeley Marina is looking like a pretty good option in the bay area. I could sublet my Piedmont place and spend the few thousand on some sweet van digs.

Be very stealthy.

Cops go out of their way to hassle people whom sleep in their vechicles.

My biggest gripe about The Land of the Free is there's literally know where to sleep for free without breaking some law.

(I had two friends who tried to live in their vans, and they were harassed beyond belief. One friend had a big friendly dog. This big stupid cop started banging on the van. The dog barked. The guy warned the cop about the dog. The cop opened the back of the van, and shot the dog. It happened in the Bay Area 15 years ago. I'm angry just writing about it.)

Re: Seattle's New Normal: Homelessness Is Now Middle Class

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I live in the area, and I actually have calculated how much an upper middle class existence would cost for a family of 3. $90k or so. Upper middle class mortgage from 2012, taxes, one midrange car loan, medical insurance, utilities, food, other insurance, one decent vacation a year. Pretty good lifestyle, all in all. As a family of 3 you don’t even have to work that hard to earn this amount in Seattle area. So I have a fairly limited amount of compassion towards the dwellers of tent cities etc.
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