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BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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This has been said many times, but it feels like all the manufacturers colluded to make EV cars extremely ugly and undesirable. Prime example being the BMW i3. Of all the nice looking cars they have in their line up, one has to wonder why they went with an i3. Put that same capability in a 3-series and it would have been a different story.

The Audi a3 e-tron looks like any other "normal" Audi

And the VW e-Golf looks like a 'normal' Golf.

Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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This has been said many times, but it feels like all the manufacturers colluded to make EV cars extremely ugly and undesirable. Prime example being the BMW i3. Of all the nice looking cars they have in their line up, one has to wonder why they went with an i3. Put that same capability in a 3-series and it would have been a different story.

porsche mission-E will increase the standard whenever it comes out

Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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This has been said many times, but it feels like all the manufacturers colluded to make EV cars extremely ugly and undesirable. Prime example being the BMW i3. Of all the nice looking cars they have in their line up, one has to wonder why they went with an i3. Put that same capability in a 3-series and it would have been a different story.

I don't think the i3 is ugly and I wouldn't mind having one if I could aford it.

You can get i3s surprisingly cheap. Problem is they're older and have pretty poor range. But if that doesn't matter to you, way cheaper than many new low-end cars.

Examples:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtm...

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtm...

Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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The i8 was released the same year as the i3. Is that ugly or undesirable?

RRP: From £112,000 That's pretty undesirable.

And also not fully electric, so there are three times as many things that could break.

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This has been said many times, but it feels like all the manufacturers colluded to make EV cars extremely ugly and undesirable. Prime example being the BMW i3. Of all the nice looking cars they have in their line up, one has to wonder why they went with an i3. Put that same capability in a 3-series and it would have been a different story.

They want them to look distinctive, because many buyers want everyone else to know they have an electric car. It's the same design strategy Toyota used with the Prius.

Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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I don't think there's any "collusion" or other conspiracy to hold back electric vehicles, I think what BMW said is objectively true. Lithium batteries have cost too much in the past decade to put them into more than luxury cars or negative-profit compliance cars. Supply chains don't appear overnight. LG Chem, Samsung SDI, AESC/NEC, BYD, Foxconn, etc have been building factories and securing raw materials for many man…

Yep, especially since those companies really don't start with "we'll build a line that can assemble 100 cars a week and then work from there" like Tesla did - it's either a line that can assemble 10k cars/week, or nothing. And if the supply for whatever component isn't there yet to support that capacity, then it's not going to happen.

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The dealer network is an unnecessary middle man acting as a parasite extracting value from the system. You can enforce the right to repair through legislation without dealers. > What takes time is building the facilities and technology to create reliable and serviceable electric vehicles. The battery supply chain is the hardest part, but EV powertrains are so much more simple than an internal combustion powertrain. T…

Funny thing is there is already legislation and laws for the right to repair yet Tesla is able to go around it.

Software is covered around copyright law, which is different than right to repair. I'm fine not owning the software my Tesla runs, nor having access to the source code, but I agree that legislation should require Tesla provide tooling that allows for diagnostics and canbus control for repairs (such as for issuing commands to the powertrain and ancillary systems).

Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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To be fair to GM, batteries improved a great deal since the EV-1. I know there is a crowd of people that are enthusiastic about the EV-1 and think GM killed it, but I'm pretty sure GM had a closer look at whether they could profitably produce them than the enthusiasts.

GM could've handed the EV-1s over to the owners instead of crushing them.

That's not really the right way to phrase that. I'm pretty sure they didn't crush cars that someone else owned.

I wonder if they had offered them for sale at prices that would cover their parts obligations if that would have gone over well.

Re: BMW says electric car mass production not viable until 2020

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This has been said many times, but it feels like all the manufacturers colluded to make EV cars extremely ugly and undesirable. Prime example being the BMW i3. Of all the nice looking cars they have in their line up, one has to wonder why they went with an i3. Put that same capability in a 3-series and it would have been a different story.

I'm not sure if you know how innovative the BMW i3 is. They decided to go for an entirely different manufacturing process using Carbon Fibre instead of traditional steel stamping and it's entire supply chain is built on renewable energy. That's a big commitment on BMWs part. Alas, the market didn't think of it the same way. The i3 might not be a looker but it's probably one of the most innovative cars ever produced in recent history. Horace of Asymco fame did an entire series on the i3 in his Asymcar podcast.
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