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Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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i dont understand why people who write code consider themselves engineers. they arent liable if their code breaks. they have no professional licensing system. they dont even need an education.

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Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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This is true. While dealing with building architects on many occasions during my internship, they would say silly things like, 'Can you not just avoid this girder/beam/pillar?' My boss would coldly say 'Do you mind removing brake pedals from your car to make it prettier'?

That's not silly. There correct response is "well, what's your budget?" The reply may be a number that's an order of magnitude too small, but then you have a negotiating point to work with, or at least an understandable (and not condescending) answer.

Yup. Saying "do you want me to remove the brake pedals from your car?" is basically saying "I'm lazy and want to build cookie cutter things and move on to the next paying job"

Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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One of the best general Engineering books I've read is 'Design Paradigms'. It's an excellent book about the importance of understanding failures in Engineering. The author is Professor of Civil Engineering and a professor of history at Duke University, so all the examples are roads/bridges/etc. As a Data/SWE guy, I still enjoyed reading it a lot. https://www.amazon.com/Design-Paradigms-Histories-Judgment-E...

I would suggest - as basic readings for those that are not structural engineers or however working in the field or familiar with it - these two (by now "classics") by Mario Salvadori:

Why Buildings Stand Up: The Strength of Architecture

Why Buildings Fall Down: How Structures Fail

Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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Structural engineers have one of the most stressful jobs as well. Work is incredibly precise with deadly consequences under tight deadlines with a lot of egos in the way. Massive respect to those who thrive in this profession.

> Structural engineers > stressful

Pun intended?

Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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One of the best general Engineering books I've read is 'Design Paradigms'. It's an excellent book about the importance of understanding failures in Engineering. The author is Professor of Civil Engineering and a professor of history at Duke University, so all the examples are roads/bridges/etc. As a Data/SWE guy, I still enjoyed reading it a lot. https://www.amazon.com/Design-Paradigms-Histories-Judgment-E...

Appreciate the recommendation. I haven't read much on this topic, but the two I've liked so far:

Structures: Or Why Things Don't Fall Down by J.E. Gordon https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/245344.Structures

Science and the City https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28260428-science-and-the...

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This is true. While dealing with building architects on many occasions during my internship, they would say silly things like, 'Can you not just avoid this girder/beam/pillar?' My boss would coldly say 'Do you mind removing brake pedals from your car to make it prettier'?

I hope as you progress through your career you learn to be more respectful of diverse ideas. I'm a software engineer, I have to have discussions with designers and business people who also sometimes ask for things that just aren't reasonably doable given time and budget constraints. It's our job as professionals to explain this using a tone and words that educates others on what the technical constraints are.

you arent an engineer. engineers have to be licensed and are liable if their work fails.

Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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post #6

This is true. While dealing with building architects on many occasions during my internship, they would say silly things like, 'Can you not just avoid this girder/beam/pillar?' My boss would coldly say 'Do you mind removing brake pedals from your car to make it prettier'?

I hope as you progress through your career you learn to be more respectful of diverse ideas. I'm a software engineer, I have to have discussions with designers and business people who also sometimes ask for things that just aren't reasonably doable given time and budget constraints. It's our job as professionals to explain this using a tone and words that educates others on what the technical constraints are.

This comment is right on point. In building construction, the structural engineer is typically the architect's client. The challenge is always to seek the compromise that promotes your partner's agenda, without compromising the structural integrity.

Re: Structural engineers are unsung heroes

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Coming from the profession, I often think that the problem is quite the opposite -- that there're too many engineers with an outsized ego. In almost every way, aside from schooling, the structural engineer's trade is no different than any other construction trade, and has a contribution -- framed in financial terms, or in terms of common good -- on the scale of that of a (qualified) tradesman.
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