If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .
Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
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Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#32If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .
- Windows 3.0 and 3.1 clearly hit exactly the sweet spot between DOS and OS/2
- Word and Excel were legitimately better than the competition (and still are, although there is not much competition left).
- Internet Explorer 4 was so much better than Netscape 3 and 4 that it wasn't even funny
- Windows 2000 and XP were very good operating systems
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only time I ever used IE was to download Firefox when I first installed windows 7. So, I have no idea what you are talking about. My experiences haS been great.
Try using Outlook web access, or windows genuine advantage or MSDN download in firefox
Why not also complain that vendor specific -moz and -webkit prefixes don't work in IE?
FWIW, Outlook Web Access works perfectly well (in "light mode") in Chrome and Firefox, and I can download from MSDN just fine.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#34If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .
My point is that it's easy to think Steve Jobs is in compete and total control of every pixel on an OSX screen and has intimate knowledge of the tiniest details about how every bundled app works, but the truth is probably closer to "Jobs hired a bunch of very smart people to do it for him, and managed them in a way that allowed them to function without the bureaucratic paralysis that plagues Microsoft." Which is a state very different from "dictatorial death grip."
(Though I won't argue that Jobs is indeed a benevolent dictator, and a damned good one).
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok take 5 minutes to learn the following, and you won't make the mistake again: definitely. def-in-it-ely Always say it like this as you type.
Perhaps a true windows believer would 'defiantly' want Windows Live ?
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only time I ever used IE was to download Firefox when I first installed windows 7. So, I have no idea what you are talking about. My experiences haS been great.
Try using Outlook web access, or windows genuine advantage or MSDN download in firefox
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#37I tried to download it - their new simple solution is to include it as part of Windows Live. So I want a simple movie editor to clip 5secs off the beginning of a home movie - BUT to do this I have to sign up for an MS specific hotmail account, create a windows passport (I thought they had abandoned that?) get Windows messenger, windows photo viewer and be included in a whole bunch of MS specific social websites. So I…
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#38Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations? I don't think I've _ever_ seen a process that convoluted, and I've been using Linux OSes since _before_ the advent of dependency-resolvers like yum and apt (i.e, the bad old days of "RPM hell").
It took me a couple of hours to figure out how to get the repository for XBMC set up so that it would let me install the program.
Now I'd like to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4, but I don't have quite enough space in the SSD to do it. I'd like to cut out some software that I don't really use on the netbook. But I can't figure out how to make it actually get rid of things that I uninstall. In particular, since installations are hierarchies of dependent packages, I can't see how to tell it "get rid of this and anything that it depends on, that isn't required by something else".
So for now, I can't upgrade my Ubuntu installation.
This sounds like your typical family member who can't get Windows to work right, doesn't it? I don't think that Linux has done anything better. They've done it different, and people who know the system can use it very effectively, but those of us who don't know the incantations are still out in the cold.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#39If Gates had maintained a dictatorial death grip on his company like Steve Jobs has, MS probably could have made some decent products. It's one thing to yell at the people who made this system via email. It's quite another to never allow them to ship it in the first place .
Microsoft has made a bunch of very good products: - Windows 3.0 and 3.1 clearly hit exactly the sweet spot between DOS and OS/2 - Word and Excel were legitimately better than the competition (and still are, although there is not much competition left). - Internet Explorer 4 was so much better than Netscape 3 and 4 that it wasn't even funny - Windows 2000 and XP were very good operating systems
While Word was better than anything else I had found to use at the time (Word Perfect was a buggy mess).
However, I claim that there were better spreadsheet products available. Certainly the one I used, Enable, was quite robust, and was more capable than Excel.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#40Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations? I don't think I've _ever_ seen a process that convoluted, and I've been using Linux OSes since _before_ the advent of dependency-resolvers like yum and apt (i.e, the bad old days of "RPM hell").
I'm a Windows person, but I've got Ubuntu on a netbook. It took me a couple of hours to figure out how to get the repository for XBMC set up so that it would let me install the program. Now I'd like to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4, but I don't have quite enough space in the SSD to do it. I'd like to cut out some software that I don't really use on the netbook. But I can't figure out how to make it actually get rid of thing…