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Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#31

Post by swarnie_ »

rkagerer wrote: post #21
remarkEon wrote: post #16

I’ve spent a lot of time playing KSP. This game has an incredibly steep learning curve. The best thing they could do is build a player autopilot that lets them get to orbit with basic rocket builds. There’s a ton of hardcore players (like me) who do things like write kOS scripts to run rockets to the mun and beyond. But that kind of thing is lost on the person who first downloads this game. If the devs are reading th…

I loved this game, even wrote / helped maintain some mods, but stopped playing due to performance degradation that gets worse the longer the application runs (especially slow scene changes). In my humble opinion the best thing they could do is plug the memory leaks, refine the architecture to make it more robust and uniform, sharpen the performance and make the game I loved playable again. I'd love an extension that…

I'm not sure how long its been since you played but the 64 bit version running on Unity 2017 is pretty good from the limited time i've spent with it.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#32

Post by toomanybeersies »

z3t4 wrote: post #20
iopuy wrote: post #3

Tried out KSP and just couldn't get into it. I may be the only one but there was absolutely way too high a curve to jump right in and have some fun. I did over half their tutorials and could not improvise at all based on what I had learned. Not much fun when I have to go watch a YouTube video to figure out my next step in career mode.

The career mode sucks. Feels too much like work. Use the free mode and build crazy rockets and jet planes. And have some fun. Going to other planets and orbital maneuvers are really end game stuff, which you can learn after getting tired of blowing things up.

Career mode is great after playing around in free mode for a while.

I wouldn't recommend anyone starts on career mode, it's just too hard and too constraining for someone who's just starting and doesn't understand the basics.

But when you have some experience launching silly rockets into space, it becomes a really nice challenge to try and achieve the goals from career mode without having free reign over your technology and funds.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#33

Post by anthonybsd »

koolba wrote: post #23
marvin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original devs were paid next to nothing while developing KSP from their own ideas, with the efforts of a startup company. Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof.

> Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. If the game failed to gain traction would we be asking the devs to give a refund of their salaries? > Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof. There’s nothing unethical with not sharing the bounties of success w…

Core developers of the game were being paid about $200 a month. Does that sound ethical to you?

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#34

Post by koolba »

anthonybsd wrote: post #33
koolba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. If the game failed to gain traction would we be asking the devs to give a refund of their salaries? > Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof. There’s nothing unethical with not sharing the bounties of success w…

Core developers of the game were being paid about $200 a month. Does that sound ethical to you?

I don't see any ethics in the subject at all. If that's how much they were being paid then they're likely terrible negotiators but that doesn't make any part of the contract unethical.

If they were promised equity, a bonus, or some other extra compensation that was not subsequently delivered then not paying that out would be unethical. But agreeing to a lowball amount and then complaining about it being a lowball amount isn't ethics related. It's just sour grapes.

It's the same in the opposite direction. If a contractor charges a company 10x his normal rate and a company accepts those terms, there's no ethics involved either.

Nobody has a proverbial gun to their head to accept a deal either way. If they do then sure there's ethical issues but I haven't seen that in this situation. Just very poor negotiations on the part of the original dev team.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#35

Post by [deleted] »

iopuy wrote: post #3

Tried out KSP and just couldn't get into it. I may be the only one but there was absolutely way too high a curve to jump right in and have some fun. I did over half their tutorials and could not improvise at all based on what I had learned. Not much fun when I have to go watch a YouTube video to figure out my next step in career mode.

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Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#36

Post by hoorayimhelping »

z3t4 wrote: post #20
iopuy wrote: post #3

Tried out KSP and just couldn't get into it. I may be the only one but there was absolutely way too high a curve to jump right in and have some fun. I did over half their tutorials and could not improvise at all based on what I had learned. Not much fun when I have to go watch a YouTube video to figure out my next step in career mode.

The career mode sucks. Feels too much like work. Use the free mode and build crazy rockets and jet planes. And have some fun. Going to other planets and orbital maneuvers are really end game stuff, which you can learn after getting tired of blowing things up.

I always tells noobs to skip career mode and do science mode. You don't have to manage money or kerbal lives, but you still get a sense of progression and value as you unlock new parts. You still have a purpose and a reason to go do things (i.e. collecting science), but it's much less complex and lets you focus on just having fun and exploring.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#37

Post by ada1981 »

koolba wrote: post #34
anthonybsd wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Core developers of the game were being paid about $200 a month. Does that sound ethical to you?

I don't see any ethics in the subject at all. If that's how much they were being paid then they're likely terrible negotiators but that doesn't make any part of the contract unethical. If they were promised equity, a bonus, or some other extra compensation that was not subsequently delivered then not paying that out would be unethical. But agreeing to a lowball amount and then complaining about it being a lowball amo…

Not sure why the downvotes..

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

#38

Post by TomMarius »

ada1981 wrote: post #37
koolba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any ethics in the subject at all. If that's how much they were being paid then they're likely terrible negotiators but that doesn't make any part of the contract unethical. If they were promised equity, a bonus, or some other extra compensation that was not subsequently delivered then not paying that out would be unethical. But agreeing to a lowball amount and then complaining about it being a lowball amo…

Not sure why the downvotes..

Because HN crowd seems to be more left-leaning

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by TomMarius »

abricot wrote: post #39
TomMarius wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because HN crowd seems to be more left-leaning

No. They just aren't assholes.

I never said that the owners aren't assholes, but still, it was the developers' free choice to sign that (asshole-ish) agreement. Being more to the right than the HN crowd doesn't mean being an asshole.
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