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Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by Sentialia » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:07 PM UTC

dictum wrote: post #29

Sentialia wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who is under the age of 18, I would respectfully have to agree with the statement in question. The Smartphone -- or more specifically the internet -- has provided us, adolescents, a powerful platform to learn anything we want and develop into technically literate and ethical adults. Unfortunately, this has and will continue to not be the case. The internet has evolved from being a source of knowledge into…

I'm not old enough to school the youngs but I'm old enough to take delight in sounding like a curmudgeon, but your comment would be recited nearly verbatim at some poetry slam of decades ago, except replacing "the internet" with such things as - tv - mass culture - the suburbs - the city - small town/rural life - sexual activity when everyone is having it, except you - the written word

Are you arguing that my comment alludes to nothing more than platitudes and is thus not relevant?

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by strathmeyer » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:11 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #17

bad_good_guy wrote: post #4

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Under 18? Are you serious? You think a 15 year old doesn't deserve a single ounce of independence? Teens should be educated on proper use of the internet, not prohibited from it without trading away their privacy to parents.

trading away their privacy to parents. Right, they should totally trade it to global corporations instead. Did you think this one through?

Why, what magically happens when someone turns eighteen that makes them qualified to be unsupervised?

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by Sileni » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:14 PM UTC

smileysteve wrote: post #25

eeks wrote: post #7

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My 16 years old will be pretty independent. He'll have a car and a motorbike. He'll be able to go out by himself, experience real people. He'll be able to work odd jobs, manage his own money, read whatever books and learn whatever things he wants. But he won't have a smartphone or unsupervised internet access. Neither provide independence, but shackles to kilotons of the worst quality content humanity has ever create…

Not knowing about your 16 year old; but it will be significantly difficult to deal with the peer pressure and peer influences unless you live in a different culture. The studied reason millenials were less likely to drive is not because cars got harder to afford or high school jobs harder to come by, but because of lack of interest (thanks to smart phones) Even if you don't give your children a smart phone, they're g…

Owned a burner in 2006 when I realized my parents were going through my call logs. Thankfully, back then they weren't clever enough to realize they could download my text logs.

Considering a smart phone can be bought for the equivalent of a month's lunch money today, good luck to anyone trying to keep one out of a kid's hands in ~2030.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by 0ld » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:18 PM UTC

gigatexal wrote: post #2

I plan to monitor my kids’ internet usage and heavily filter it as well. Their phones and apps will be restricted until mature enough to make their own decisions.

If you think you gonna be the only source of internet for your kids, and they won't be able to access things you restrict, I have bad news for you

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by dictum » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:21 PM UTC

Sentialia wrote: post #31

dictum wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not old enough to school the youngs but I'm old enough to take delight in sounding like a curmudgeon, but your comment would be recited nearly verbatim at some poetry slam of decades ago, except replacing "the internet" with such things as - tv - mass culture - the suburbs - the city - small town/rural life - sexual activity when everyone is having it, except you - the written word

Are you arguing that my comment alludes to nothing more than platitudes and is thus not relevant?

Sorry for the snarky tone. I don't mean to discount your experience.

It's relevant, but on a certain level so were the complaints of previous generations.

People like me lamented all sorts of contemporary phenomena. Except for passing fads (which seem to get the brunt of overthought lamentations), those changes didn't destroy mankind.

As you get older, this stuff just becomes funny. Young people rediscover the age-old need for self control and adaptation to problematic environments/cultural contexts. Older people discover the joy of misguided, unhelpful arrogance.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by kreutz » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:21 PM UTC

megaman22 wrote: post #9

All the sick shit on the internet was there 20 years ago. It might have been a little more pixellated and lower-resolution, and getting it on a 56kbp modem that gurgled and screamed and tied up the phone line was perhaps a bit tricky to do surreptitiously, but it was there. We turned out fine. If I did ever put some sort of parental blockers on my children's devices, I'd try to find some half-assed thing like the blo…

This is a ridiculous opinion. The amount and vastness of content and the ease at which it is accessible have increased 1000x maybe more. Never in the history of the world never have children been so connected to topics, content, and strangers (that no doubt play a role in their mental development) as they are now.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by striking » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

Sentialia wrote: post #27

commandlinefan wrote: post #6

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Spoken like somebody who is not under the age of 18 or has anyone who is living in their home.

As someone who is under the age of 18, I would respectfully have to agree with the statement in question. The Smartphone -- or more specifically the internet -- has provided us, adolescents, a powerful platform to learn anything we want and develop into technically literate and ethical adults. Unfortunately, this has and will continue to not be the case. The internet has evolved from being a source of knowledge into…

As someone who recently grew out of his teens, I would respectfully have to disagree with your comment.

I'm a product of the internet too. The internet helped me keep friends that would otherwise not stay in touch, helped me make new friends, helped me learn and grow and become my own person. I've had jobs and internships, and I owe the vast majority of the knowledge required in those to... the internet.

If you choose to waste your time mindlessly watching empty YouTube videos, if you choose to spend your time at social events finding the optimal selfie position rather than enjoying yourself... then that's on you. But there are many adolescents that choose to use the internet responsibly.

And that's what a responsible parent understands. That their child is not just an extension of them but an entirely new and different person. Good parents don't bubblewrap their kids when they play on the playground. They educate their kids on how to play responsibly, and deal with the fallout when their kids get hurt.

The internet is not an irresistible and all-corrupting force. It is a tool, and becomes only what you make of it.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by stuffedBelly » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #3

There is literally no reason for anyone under the age of 18 to own a smartphone or have unsupervised use of any internet-connected device. Literally none.

this kind of "tiger parents" attitude would not work in terms of educating kids on how to deal with problems brought by modern technology and internet/social media. 18 as an age should not be a free pass to things.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by Nullabillity » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:31 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #17

bad_good_guy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under 18? Are you serious? You think a 15 year old doesn't deserve a single ounce of independence? Teens should be educated on proper use of the internet, not prohibited from it without trading away their privacy to parents.

trading away their privacy to parents. Right, they should totally trade it to global corporations instead. Did you think this one through?

Ultimately neither is particularly good, but their parents have much more immediate negative potential in their lives.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Post by SeeDave » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 9:31 PM UTC

gigatexal wrote: post #2

I plan to monitor my kids’ internet usage and heavily filter it as well. Their phones and apps will be restricted until mature enough to make their own decisions.

I strongly agree with monitoring internet usage, filtering, curfews, limited media consumption, and so on. I must say that it's absolutely fascinating how 80s/90s "normal" is now perceived as extremely strict, but understand the importance of encouraging children to develop an internal moral compass and locus of control by carefully exposing them to the reality of the human condition.

That said, I am deeply concerned by how permissive/inattentive parenting may affect other kids considering the prevalence of so many potentially negative influences.

I'm talking about those one-off interactions where a so-called "bad kid" has the opportunity to expose a dozen children to an HD stream of pornography on their iDroid 15x+. It could be on the school bus, bleachers during a school assembly, field trip, locker room, playground, and so on. This is compounded by the permanent availability of adult-themed uncensored music, marijuana legalization, and more.

If I may ask... do you have a plan/approach to addressing/mitigating these issues with your kids without harming their ability for healthy socialization?

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