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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

It would help if the USA was as small as France.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

Funny though. No offense and I love France, and I love Europe (really do!), but FB's and GOOG's and BABA's of the world seem to be ... elsewhere? inverse correlation?

There is probably a place in the world for both, but I would rather smaller, competitive companies, over encumbent monopolies and aggressive investment strategies (build a moat with money and watch everything else fail).

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I remember the prevailing attitude at the time in message boards being that Google had no real intention of taking this serious and was instead just trying to bluff the entrenched interests to upgrade. It worked in the markets Google rolled out in...and that was it. These companies stubbornly refused to preempt Googles expansion anywhere. Maybe they called Googles bluff, maybe they were never nimble enough to even th…

This is true, I believe, and in my area of the country, we went from 10Mb to 125Mb in short order. And now, years later, even ATT now offers 1Gb fibre (though limited areas and still mostly slow 3Mb everywhere else) .

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #27

This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

In Switzerland there are regions with FFTH. Click on this map to see where FFTH is available: https://map.geo.admin.ch/?layers=ch.bakom.anschlussart-glasf... Thanks to this map it was easy to select the right place to move to, and we are currently in the process of moving... to an home equipped with FFTH!

I live in Zurich, I have Fiber7 (https://init7.net) at home and couldn't be any happier. They don't cost more than the DSL packs of the big firms, I get 500 mb up and down on the router with wifi and they have superb support!

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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But is wireless seriously an alternative to fiber? I mean with 4k streaming spreading, what will happen on a super bowl night? There is only one shared bandwidth.

You have to keep in mind that with enough antennas (and enough VERY high bandwidth connections between the antennas - but only has to exist on the service provider side, plus the antennas can be pretty close together and still work) there is, in theory, 2^n interference patterns, each of which is localized. Each of which can transmit data. If you use the interference patterns to transmit data instead of the signals d…

Wouldn't there be too many noise problems to reliably determine the right interference pattern? I've heard this suggested before, but it seems to be slow in the making.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

#36
I wonder, was Google Fibre ever intended to succeed in the traditional sense?

Instead, perhaps it was an attempt by Google to change the industry by 1) scaring the incumbents into improving, and 2) expanding consumers' Overton windows[1] regarding what they could/should expect.

Google presumably wants to ensure its services can be delivered to consumers, so this would seem towards that end. As another commenter notes, Google also has deep pockets. Creating & operating a whole company as a PR 'stunt' doesn't seem beyond the realms of reasonable probability.

PS: I think a similar argument can be made for Tesla. I don't think it is a given that Musk intends for Tesla's success to be an economic one.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Edit: made last sentence less strong.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Honestly I'm sure they just realized how time consuming and expensive it is. And fiber isn't their main gig so they decided to duck out.

AT+T rolled out fiber to my neighborhood over the last 6 months. They've been digging up yards and shared areas for months and I was the first person in my area to sign up. It took multiple visits for the techs to fix the line noise and clean the lines after the first rollout, and the techs are still here almost every day fixing other noise/line issues the last few weeks.

Laying new cable is expensive and time consuming.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #4

Not really surprising, my own country is still profiting from the massive investment in cable done by the state owned telecom operators in the 80s. Infrastructure like this is something that can only be done with government support.

I don't think that's the case. Google certainly has more disposable cash available at less bureaucratic cost than many country's governments. They just lack the interest. If there's a single company with a forever long track record of half-assing products and never finishing them, only to cancel them later with disregard to current customers, that's Google. They make so much money that nothing really matters for them…

A government owned company has easier access to public land and can do that while doing their public infrastructure work. It can go as a more coordinated work and costs can be saved greatly, especially when the property is publicly owned. The work itself is then normally done by private companies in a bidding process. The government own companies faces only problems, when it has to cross private property.

While a private company has to pay for the usage of the public property too. It has also to work on the allowance to use the public property at all. Also the construction costs are much higher, as they cannot share with other infrastructure costs. If private companies wants to share the costs of infrastructure work, it requires much more coordinating work. They also need to know way in advance when which infrastructure work by which private company is planned to be able to work together. That will become a bureaucratic mess.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #25

If even Google cannot penetrate this market then it's for all intents and purposes 100% impenetrable. Unless somebody comes up with a radically different strategy, the ISP market in USA should be considered monopolized and should be broken down by the government (fat chance). In any case, it's game over for consumers - abandon all hope.

If Google's survival depended on solving this, they would have solved it 10 times over. Since it's not, they're approaching this problem with a cost/benefit mindset and they seem to think it's not worth it.

An ideal solution would be nationalization of the infrastructure, but that's never happening in the US. A possible solution is for the US government to scare the telecom monopolies with antitrust lawsuits so much that they come up with a solution themselves (which might be simply splitting the monopoly like you suggested).

BTW, is your name an ss13 reference?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #34
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Switzerland there are regions with FFTH. Click on this map to see where FFTH is available: https://map.geo.admin.ch/?layers=ch.bakom.anschlussart-glasf... Thanks to this map it was easy to select the right place to move to, and we are currently in the process of moving... to an home equipped with FFTH!

I live in Zurich, I have Fiber7 ( https://init7.net ) at home and couldn't be any happier. They don't cost more than the DSL packs of the big firms, I get 500 mb up and down on the router with wifi and they have superb support!

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