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Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by wmf »

houseabsolute wrote: post #24
patrickaljord wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a draft yet so it's not an open standard yet http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-...

So, is HTML5 not an open standard either? I had understood that in the common parlance it was.

We're kind of splitting hairs at this point, but HTML5's standardization is a foregone conclusion given that it is backed by all major browsers. This protocol from Apple is just a proposal and it may never be adopted by other vendors or any standards body, which would leave it as an open non-standard protocol.

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by jonknee »

petercooper wrote: post #27
houseabsolute wrote: post #12

I love how unambiguous Apple is about their feelings on their own products in press releases. Consider Microsoft: > Founded in 1975, Microsoft (Nasdaq “MSFT”) is the worldwide leader in software, services and solutions that help people and businesses realize their full potential. Now Apple: > Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple…

Though there are only two opinionated words in there: calling the iPad "magical" and their computers the "best" To me, though, those two opinions seem no sillier than Microsoft's claim that their software helps people "realize their full potential."

"revolutionary" counts as opinionated (at least in my opinion...).

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by houseabsolute »

wmf wrote: post #31
houseabsolute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, is HTML5 not an open standard either? I had understood that in the common parlance it was.

We're kind of splitting hairs at this point, but HTML5's standardization is a foregone conclusion given that it is backed by all major browsers. This protocol from Apple is just a proposal and it may never be adopted by other vendors or any standards body, which would leave it as an open non-standard protocol.

Cool, thanks for the info. I guess if it's splitting hairs, then Apple is at least reasonably justified in making the claim they do.

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by jonknee »

ugh wrote: post #2

Neat, the live stream returns. Does anyone know when they stopped doing that? It will be interesting to see whether the stream holds up or crumbles. Steve Jobs had problems accessing the web on the new iPhone during his last presentation because of all the devices with wifi and the mifis in the audience. Could the live stream be a reaction to that? (With a live stream in place larger parts of the press will probably…

I think they stopped in late 2004 or early 2005. It's a lot easier to do nowadays, weird that it took so long.

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by awa »

It seems that people using windows or linux won't be able to watch the live stream which would be broadcasted on service based on "open standards"

Quote from the release: "Apple® will broadcast its September 1 event online using Apple’s industry-leading HTTP Live Streaming, which is based on open standards. Viewing requires either a Mac® running Safari® on Mac OS® X version 10.6 Snow Leopard®, an iPhone® or iPod touch® running iOS 3.0 or higher, or an iPad™"

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by awa »

houseabsolute wrote: post #9
pufuwozu wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty funny how that sentence is preceded by "based on open standards".

It could simply be that no one else has implemented those open standards. Apple isn't responsible for adding support to other platforms, so it's technically accurate if the standards are indeed open, regardless of whether other people have chosen to implement them.

So why do people go after Microsoft when one can save to .docx format which is based on a real open standard

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by houseabsolute »

petercooper wrote: post #27
houseabsolute wrote: post #12

I love how unambiguous Apple is about their feelings on their own products in press releases. Consider Microsoft: > Founded in 1975, Microsoft (Nasdaq “MSFT”) is the worldwide leader in software, services and solutions that help people and businesses realize their full potential. Now Apple: > Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple…

Though there are only two opinionated words in there: calling the iPad "magical" and their computers the "best" To me, though, those two opinions seem no sillier than Microsoft's claim that their software helps people "realize their full potential."

Oh, well I didn't think any of it was silly. The magical bit might have been slightly over the top, but I agree with everything else they said.

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by houseabsolute »

akshayubhat wrote: post #29
houseabsolute wrote: post #12

I love how unambiguous Apple is about their feelings on their own products in press releases. Consider Microsoft: > Founded in 1975, Microsoft (Nasdaq “MSFT”) is the worldwide leader in software, services and solutions that help people and businesses realize their full potential. Now Apple: > Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple…

help people and businesses realize their full potential and Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple is reinventing the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced its magical iPad which is defining the future of mobile media…

I guess different things resonate with different people, but to me MS's line sounds tepid and uninteresting, while Apple's is something concrete that I can agree to.

Re: Apple to Provide Live Video Streaming of September 1 Event

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Post by sp332 »

petercooper wrote: post #27
houseabsolute wrote: post #12

I love how unambiguous Apple is about their feelings on their own products in press releases. Consider Microsoft: > Founded in 1975, Microsoft (Nasdaq “MSFT”) is the worldwide leader in software, services and solutions that help people and businesses realize their full potential. Now Apple: > Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple…

Though there are only two opinionated words in there: calling the iPad "magical" and their computers the "best" To me, though, those two opinions seem no sillier than Microsoft's claim that their software helps people "realize their full potential."

Oh come on, you're not even trying :-)

Microsoft's sentence is a compromise written by a committee. Apple's identity statement is beautiful (even if you don't agree with it) and I would be shocked if there were more than 3 people involved in the whole process of its creation.

Each sentence starts by drawing focus to an ideal of the company, and then mentions products Apple makes according to that ideal.

1. "Designs" instead of "makes" shifts the emphasis immediately to the abstract, away from the mechanical process of assembly. There's a contrast drawn between the "personal" computers and the "professional" software. "Personal" describes what the computer is, all the time. "Professional" is just what the computer might do, and it goes away when you're done with it.

2. "Leads" would be a weasel word when relating to some market segment, but not when it's paired with "revolution." Apple styles itself as a moral leader, not a business leader. "iPods" and "iTunes" are mentioned separately, maintaining the being/doing dichotomy.

3a. Abstract "reinventing" is the goal here, even though physical phones are the medium. The author realized that claiming to also lead this revolution would sound redundant, but couldn't resist using the word "revolution". So he used the adjective form "revolutionary". This is someone whose aesthetic sensibilities, acute though they are, can only minutely deflect his drive to get the word out about these revolutions.

3b. All the verbs so far have been ongoing (present progressive). The past and future are relegated to the last half of the last sentence. "Has... introduced" is technically past perfect but the adverb "recently" pulls it back toward the present. Even "the future" in this sentence is merely a noun, preceded by the present progressive verb "is defining." "The future of mobile media and computing devices" is the only category of product hanging without an Apple product to exemplify it. In this statement of identity, the distant past does not exist and the future is not fixed.

I typed all this at midnight, so it isn't very good or very thorough. But you get the idea :-)

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