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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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So, if one starts injecting large quantities of melanin into skin, renaming themselves to Hispanic-sounding name and undergoing "private parts" surgery, would that give them super high chance of being employed by Google? I bet in the next 5 years this will be becoming pretty popular in Silicon Valley :D Life truly is either a comedy when viewed from outside, or tragedy, when viewed from inside :DDD

Why bother all those steps. Just claim that even though you look like a white male, you self-identify as a Hispanic lesbian, and if they reject you it's discriminatory.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like it was one manager. Is that all you need to blacklist an entire company?

I doubt this single incident alone is the reason, but maybe the catalyst. Google and its unhealthy lust for diversity has been an increasingly frequent topic. Hell, someone got fired for posting an anti diversity rant last year. While his arguments were weak or flat out wrong, it's clear that Google is making a point to single out underrepresented minorities to the detriment of others who may actually be better candi…

I mean, if it's the same memo in thinking of, it wasn't a "diversity memo" he was fired over, it was a manifesto that has been reviewed and agreed on as sufficient cause for his dismissal several times now.

In it, he argued that women were essentially worse at logical tasks than men, and further that this made them poor engineers.

That's not a diversity memo, that's a sexist screed.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like it was one manager. Is that all you need to blacklist an entire company?

I doubt this single incident alone is the reason, but maybe the catalyst. Google and its unhealthy lust for diversity has been an increasingly frequent topic. Hell, someone got fired for posting an anti diversity rant last year. While his arguments were weak or flat out wrong, it's clear that Google is making a point to single out underrepresented minorities to the detriment of others who may actually be better candi…

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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If this is true and the recruiter has emails to back up his case it should be a pretty easy case to win. According to the the rules: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which makes it illegal to discriminate against a person on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It should also be a massive fine.

I have recently left tenure at a large telecoms company in the UK. They definitely had a practice of encouraging female hires. Even if they weren't the best fit for the role. Don't get me wrong, I am not approaching this in a sexist way - on the contrary I have worked with excellent and poor colleagues of both sexes. I think it diminishes the accomplishments of genuinely great minority/female employees to have this p…

I've witnessed this at least twice in my career. Both cases by "women", the "diversity-promoting" manager actually meant "mid twenties attractive female".

It makes me sick that people need to tip-toe on these issues and add the obligatory "not-sexist" appology to an obviously not-sexist text.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

It sounds like it was one manager. Is that all you need to blacklist an entire company?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4391847-18-CIV-00442...

It appears it was more than one. Possibly it was two.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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So, if one starts injecting large quantities of melanin into skin, renaming themselves to Hispanic-sounding name and undergoing "private parts" surgery, would that give them super high chance of being employed by Google? I bet in the next 5 years this will be becoming pretty popular in Silicon Valley :D Life truly is either a comedy when viewed from outside, or tragedy, when viewed from inside :DDD

Cut it out with the racist anti-trans bullshit.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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> In a statement, Google said that it would “vigorously defend this lawsuit,” adding that it has a “clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity. At the same time, we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles, as this helps us hire the best people, improve our culture, and build better products.” This sounds contradictory.

How? Creating a diverse pool of candidates, and selecting the most meritorious individual from that pool, are two separate stages in the hiring pipeline.

Google's policy as stated in that quote is simply addressing the fact that entrenched network effects (known more popularly as "patriarchy" and "white supremacy") cause minorities – and, by extension, talented minorities – to be underrepresented in the hiring pool. It's entirely possible to enrich the hiring pool by focusing on minority outreach, yet still select from that pool the most meritorious candidate (who may or may not be a minority).

Yesterday there was a comment on another story to the effect of, "I [male] wouldn't introduce myself to a group of two or more women at a professional conference, because I'd be the odd one out." The ultimate loss of networking opportunities for women and minorities which stems from such behavior is what Google's policy (as stated) seeks to correct. Reach out to those women (or minorities) who were denied a professional connection due to their gender/race/etc., so that they are granted a chance to be judged on their merit, alongside others for whom the opportunity to be interviewed came as easily as getting a sunburn or growing a beard.

Granted, it sounds like what happened in the case in TFA was one of explicitly culling the pool to remove otherwise meritorious candidates based solely on their race, which is in conflict with the above policy statement.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. If this were remotely true, we wouldn't see any white men hired in a junior le…

> the manager of YouTube's Tech Staffing Management Team, Allison Alogna

So not all of Google, just junior engineers who came in via this manager. Also

> Google had a policy that recruiters were not to hire Level 3 ad Level 4 Software Engineers. However, YouTube recruiters were given permission to hire Level 3 and Level 4 Software Engineers, if they were diversity hires.

and I've been told the general way to get hired at Google as a new graduate is to apply to a general thing, and that you get placed somewhere in Google after you get hired, so it's quite possible that most junior engineers even in YouTube simply don't go through people working for this manager while getting hired.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt this single incident alone is the reason, but maybe the catalyst. Google and its unhealthy lust for diversity has been an increasingly frequent topic. Hell, someone got fired for posting an anti diversity rant last year. While his arguments were weak or flat out wrong, it's clear that Google is making a point to single out underrepresented minorities to the detriment of others who may actually be better candi…

I mean, if it's the same memo in thinking of, it wasn't a "diversity memo" he was fired over, it was a manifesto that has been reviewed and agreed on as sufficient cause for his dismissal several times now. In it, he argued that women were essentially worse at logical tasks than men, and further that this made them poor engineers. That's not a diversity memo, that's a sexist screed.

Just because it is sexist doesn't mean you can't say it. It is not illegal, nor should it be, to be sexist or racist.

Women underperform men in college computer science courses. Hell, you could generalize this to all engineering. Am I sexist? Maybe. Am I speaking the truth, yes.

Now if you don't want to believe raw data, that's your choice.

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