Comparing this to a bank-robbery doesn't really scale, being two completely different crimes. However, this suggestion came at the same time as the Swedish government suggested raised penalties for weapon crimes, meaning you can get up to 4 years for carrying a automatic weapon/hand-grenade you are not licensed for while you can receive a 6 year for providing copyrighted material to the public. Common punishment for rape in Sweden is 1-2 years. It's clear to me the Swedish government are not helping Hollywood in the best interest of it's citizen's but due to lobbying from the film industry. Just my 5 cents.
Crazy new Swedish bill makes sharing music and TV as bad a “crime” as manslaughter
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#32Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I feel like society is becoming more and more like that. Laws like these are being passed and people are too numb to care.
I have been saying this since i saw the movie. +1 (and a few more)
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#33I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. Presumably the bill will not pass if it's terrible and the other members are sane/not-corrupt. So the presence of this bill is unfortunate, but I doubt it would get passed. The money in politics problem has been increasing in much of the development world, so we have seen co…
> I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. So this "bill" is the result of an investigation started by the government. The investigation concludes (document posted by me elsewhere in this thread (in Swedish)) that it would be appropriate to change the law, and what the "bill" should look like. Have not found the st…
Ok, that's interesting then. That suggests that the typical Swedish person feels that sharing copyrighted content is a heinous crime, on par with homicide.
Do you think that's accurate?
Why would the average person feel so strongly negative about this topic?
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#34As a swede, I am unfortunately not surprised. While we have a surge in violent crimes mainly due to mass immigration this kind of shit gets pushed. When I was young, explosions and gang criminality were extremely rare and uncommon but today it is unfortunately being more common. I have several friends, including me, that has been the victim of either threats or violence in the recent years but the perpetrators always…
You forgot to mention how some of your best friends are immigrants.
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#35Attempts at this type of legislation make me almost irrationally angry. This is a quote from the article that the PIA post linked to (translated from Swedish by Google so wording may be slightly off): "Today there is an organized online piracy that has major consequences for the whole community. Therefore, it is good that the punishment crimes for these crimes have been overlooked as the sanction is proportional to t…
If my neighborhood has a rapist, someone who lives off of burglaries, or someone who habitually drives drunk, then that has major consequences for the community and requires serious attention.
If my neighborhood has someone sharing pirated media, it simply does not have major consequences for the community.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used the phrase bank robber but what I meant was värdedepårån. Semantics, the point is that financial crime is often treated worse than violent crime. Our whole society is cashless and one of the official reasons are to prevent robberies. But we haven't changed sentences for pedophiles. Pick a case. I just googled "dömd pedofil" and found several cases of them being convicted to 2-4 years prison for molestation and…
> And they get psychological care very often. ...Should they not? I mean, granted those sentences seem awfully lenient, but unless their sentence is life or death, they're going to get out eventually, and we want them to be less rapey when they do, right?
I'm just saying that psychological care is a summer camp compared to some other prisons.
Problem is that when pedos end up in normal prison they need 24/7 guards because the other inmates will hurt them. So in psych care they end up with others of their own kind and more lenient environments.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are we still saying piracy loses money for somebody? Even after the EU paper about it? Why is it so hard to believe research? https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/secret-copyright-infringement-s...
You cite a single article, which goes against the past two decades of experience, where illegal downloads have decimated much of the entire music industry.
When were these “two decades”? Illegal downloads in Western Europe and North America only flourished on a large scale for a decade or so, between the rise of Napster and the point when it began to feel more convenient to many people to pay on iTunes, use a streaming service, or just hear whatever you want to listen to free on YouTube. The traditional music industry was challenged by filesharing, but it has also been decimated by changing formats that diminish the importance of the whole album, and a glut of content where it’s hard to do promotion when you’re just a drop in the ocean.
People who torrent music – I am still one myself – can be passionate about it, but we are a shrinking minority.
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#38I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. Presumably the bill will not pass if it's terrible and the other members are sane/not-corrupt. So the presence of this bill is unfortunate, but I doubt it would get passed. The money in politics problem has been increasing in much of the development world, so we have seen co…
> I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. So this "bill" is the result of an investigation started by the government. The investigation concludes (document posted by me elsewhere in this thread (in Swedish)) that it would be appropriate to change the law, and what the "bill" should look like. Have not found the st…
Well, it is technically not a bill as the suggested changes to the law have not been proposed before the parliament yet, but it suggests concrete new versions of the law. So what remains is basically for someone to copy-paste the appropriate versions into a new document and then having a vote on it.
A clarification is that the investigation was about "If the existing sanctions for the most serious copy right crimes need to be increased", as well as some related issues.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. So this "bill" is the result of an investigation started by the government. The investigation concludes (document posted by me elsewhere in this thread (in Swedish)) that it would be appropriate to change the law, and what the "bill" should look like. Have not found the st…
Well, it is technically not a bill as the suggested changes to the law have not been proposed before the parliament yet, but it suggests concrete new versions of the law. So what remains is basically for someone to copy-paste the appropriate versions into a new document and then having a vote on it. A clarification is that the investigation was about "If the existing sanctions for the most serious copy right crimes n…
> Well, it is technically not a bill [...]
Yeah, was not sure how to explain the distinction, hence my quotation marks. Sorry for being vague.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't know Swedish law, but I will guess that like American law, any parliament/house member can introduce basically any bill saying anything. So this "bill" is the result of an investigation started by the government. The investigation concludes (document posted by me elsewhere in this thread (in Swedish)) that it would be appropriate to change the law, and what the "bill" should look like. Have not found the st…
Ok, that's interesting then. That suggests that the typical Swedish person feels that sharing copyrighted content is a heinous crime, on par with homicide. Do you think that's accurate? Why would the average person feel so strongly negative about this topic?
Swede chiming in here.
No. The typical Swede feels that it's one of the less serious crimes there is. Under speeding, far under DUI, under possession of drugs for personal use, maybe on par with parking violation.
We had quite a movement for digital freedom about a decade ago when the Pirate Party was on the rise and there was opposition against surveillance from FRA (Swedish equivalent of NSA), but the average person doesn't care and I think even the previous activists have been in a state of fatigue and silent acceptance for years now.