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Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

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Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

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You forget to add A and B scenarios to your conclusions.... A) Criminals/Bitcoins-enthusiasts/elites leave the country for the next unregulated paradise. B) Criminals/Bitcoins-enthusiasts/elites overthrown the government due to strict policies regarding free trade. The government can't enforce a laws by itself it needs his citizens to abide by those rules.

The Venezuelan government killed [1] 163 people who believed in scenario B. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Venezuelan_protests

The Venezuelan government days are numbered

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forget to add A and B scenarios to your conclusions.... A) Criminals/Bitcoins-enthusiasts/elites leave the country for the next unregulated paradise. B) Criminals/Bitcoins-enthusiasts/elites overthrown the government due to strict policies regarding free trade. The government can't enforce a laws by itself it needs his citizens to abide by those rules.

The Venezuelan government killed [1] 163 people who believed in scenario B. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Venezuelan_protests

Venezuelan citizens are not armed as many in the US.

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Flight_Tax

The main problem was that you couldn't sell your stuff, were forced to sell way below market price to Nazis [1] and countries wouldn't take you in [2] So many people didn't even have money because they couldn't sell at market prices or were murdered because they could not flee outside of Europe. Of those that could flee and sell their stuff, yes, those had to pay a lot of money to get away. But they were only able to…

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Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

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"Imagine that you could flee Nazi Germany with all of your capital using nothing more than a password in your head" It's sad so many people know so few things about history. Fleeing with your money was not the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Flight_Tax

I just read on Wikipedia that the exit tax was 25% from $700k, later revised downwards to $200k. I'm assuming that's on total assets, not just unrealised gains.

Obviously not defending what had happened here, but that doesn't seem unreasonable in a time of war? Currently the US also levies an exit tax of around 25% on unrealised gains.

At the time it was also quite easy for wealthy people to evade taxes and not be prosecuted for it, for the better part of the 20th century.

I'm assuming, at the time, people had more pressing issues to deal with than their money...

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

#35

The author seems to be ignorant of some real facts related to Bitcoin availability. Lightning Network going live on Mainnet was against the advice of the LN developers who feel that it's not ready for prime-time usage and admit that the network cannot scale very large without some core difficulties being solved. Additionally, the transaction fees have dropped not because of the introduction of LN or batched transacti…

> Enough retailers have stopped accepting Bitcoin that there are fewer transactions That's one theory. Another theory is that bad actors were spamming the mempool and have stopped. A quick look at historical mempool stats: https://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1y Makes it look far more likely certain people with an agenda were spamming the network.

Those mempool stats doesn't suggest spam at all. It's basically impossible to identify spam transactions.

Both Steam and Stripe stopped accepting Bitcoin, that's a fact.

It's only logical that people stopped transacting when fees grew sky high.

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

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Why is this better, or different, than just helping Venezuelans obtain and use the USD that they already want [1]? If it's a matter of government controls, the government will surely apply the same policy to BTC. I realize that he tried to address this in the article, but the reasons are contrived. And the "$5 wrench attack" simply won't stop when you only give up one wallet. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/parallel…

How are they going to securely store those USD?

You're getting into the same exact box with Bitcoin.

You're not going to securely store anything in Venezuela until order and a functioning government system is restored. Venezuela is an entirely collapsed nation at this point. You're lucky to have any access to electricity to use Bitcoin and things are still getting worse there.

Safely store your Bitcoin. Gun to the head, you lose your Bitcoin and your life if you don't give up whatever access is needed.

You store your USD in your home (or wherever). Gun to the head, you lose your dollars and your life if you don't give it up.

Plausibly given the extreme murder going on there, you lose your life regardless if it becomes known you have any money, whether it's in USD or Bitcoin.

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

#37
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For crypto currencies, don't you need reliable electricity and internet first?

> don't you need reliable electricity Electricity is only needed to send a transaction. > and internet first You can send a transaction via sms.

On Lightning Network, node must be always online for receiving transactions.

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are they going to securely store those USD?

You're getting into the same exact box with Bitcoin. You're not going to securely store anything in Venezuela until order and a functioning government system is restored. Venezuela is an entirely collapsed nation at this point. You're lucky to have any access to electricity to use Bitcoin and things are still getting worse there. Safely store your Bitcoin. Gun to the head, you lose your Bitcoin and your life if you d…

> You're not going to securely store anything in Venezuela until order and a functioning government system is restored.

Better not hold your breath for that one..

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

#39
post #35

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> Enough retailers have stopped accepting Bitcoin that there are fewer transactions That's one theory. Another theory is that bad actors were spamming the mempool and have stopped. A quick look at historical mempool stats: https://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1y Makes it look far more likely certain people with an agenda were spamming the network.

Those mempool stats doesn't suggest spam at all. It's basically impossible to identify spam transactions. Both Steam and Stripe stopped accepting Bitcoin, that's a fact. It's only logical that people stopped transacting when fees grew sky high.

Sure, but if it was Steam and Stripe that caused the insane fees wouldn't the growth have been more organic?

I look at that graph and see ridiculous spikes in transactions followed by months of very few. I have a hard time believe Steam and Stripe's transactions would follow that sort of pattern.

Re: Leveraging Bitcoin to Solve Venezuela’s Hyperinflation

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There are far better cryptocurrencies to do this than BTC. Today, an actual venezuelan, part of the team working on a cryptocurrency called Nano, twitted that he paid for his meal with it.

This would have never been possible with BTC, why? Mainly because the meal's cost was .5 NANO, which currently amounts to ~5 USD, that would have been the cost of the transaction fee alone for BTC, or even more. Nano is feeless and has transactions taking 10 seconds on average to complete.

Nano is a cryptocurrency that is already making an impact in Venezuela specifically, check it out. Bitcoin days are numbered.

Tweet: https://twitter.com/Mrlutavo/status/963948510679830528

Nano's website: https://nano.org/en

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