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Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Mac address randomization is a must if your wifi is on in public (you don't even need to connect anywhere to be fingerprinted and tracked). Also use cookie self-destruct plugins for your browser.

Possible on Android and without root?

For avoiding wifi tracking I suggest Smarter Wifi Manager [0]. It's great for automatically keeping wifi off when not at home/work.

[0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.kismetwire...

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

#32

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

> (or was forced to them and they didn't push back )

How do you suggest that we should have pushed back? By voting the bastards out? The UK is actually quite good at that, but policy outlives politicians thanks to the civil service.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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I don't know if these phone boxes will last for long, there have been plenty of efforts to repurpose them for free wifi, maps, local council services and so on but these experiments never last for that long. The fundamental problem is the guy with the iPhone X has a contract for lots of 4G bandwidth and would prefer to just use that except for at home/work when the wifi gets used. So you are left with customers for t…

Why is the guy with an iPhone X a more desirable customer than a guy with an iPhone 4S?

People who spend a grand on a phone tend to buy other things.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

#35

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance.

Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't driven in that evening, I'm sure the guy walked around all the local streets pushing the button and seeing if any cars lit up. That was the most annoying thing to get the car re-coded, I easily bricked all the devices and cancelled the cards, no activity was detected on them. Insurance replaced them. No idea what he wanted with or did with the pesos.

Anyway, the thief was caught on several CCTV cameras, should have been an easy job for the popo to pick him up, but actually, CCTV footage is next to useless. All you could tell was that he was 6-ish feet tall and approximate ethnicity. So I don't mind the pervasive surveillance, because it doesn't work anyway. I guess I am vaguely annoyed that taxpayer's money is wasted on any of it deployed by the government, but that's all. Maybe it at least has some deterrent effect, but this guy clearly wasn't bothered by being caught on camera at all, so probably not.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

#36

Sorry, but can somebody give a full explanation why is it so bad? And if you want want you can just not to use this kiosks, right?

I have an issue, when e.g. Argos is using my phone's wifi antenna (even when I'm not connected to their network) to track where do I walk within their stores. I do accept the fact that any cell signal provider can also track my movements since I am using their antennas. I do perfectly understand that the STATE (law, justice, etc.) can also track my movements, and does so, using due process (I hope). But a private cor…

I believe Google only got in trouble for sniffing the IP traffic content inadvertantly. The probe/broadcast traffic (aka your phone saying “hello I am IDENTIFIER!”) is not unlawful to capture though.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is required to continue with GDPR post-Brexit for EU Citizens

Yep, We are doing it at work at the moment and whatever legislation we implement post-Brexit has to be at a minimum as strong as GDPR. It's causing us problems but I wholeheartedly support the regulation and the intent of the regulation. I also expect once we are outside the EU that the EU will stop pussy footing around with us (we (Britain) get away with murder by ignoring bits we want to and as a member they don't…

(we (Britain) get away with murder by ignoring bits we want to and as a member they don't come down hard enough on us).

Actually it's the opposite: the UK tends to "gold plate" any regulations from the EU and will most probably go on doing so. Other EU countries tend to pick and choose the bits they want; the EU either turns a blind eye or is toothless to enforce them.

You'll get much better GDPR support in the UK where we have been looking for a way to tax Google and FB for years, than you will in EU member Ireland where they funnel all their profits in a sly deal.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

#38

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

At least these cameras give you WiFi in return

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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post #35

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

The answer is face recognition.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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post #35

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. The "average Joe" has the "I got nothing to hide" and that "go get them paedophiles", which are very true statements. We are talking about a nation that has 4,200,000 [1] cameras surveilling them and nobody bats an eye about this. For some reason, Britons have decided (or was forced to them and they didn't push back) that privacy is not necessary, so, let them hav…

Briton are 95% comfortable with massive surveillance. Here's a true story, a few years ago I was supervising a diver training session at a swimming pool in London, it was closed to members of the public at the time. My locker was broken into, my phone, tablet, credit cards, car keys and bizarrely a load of Mexican money I happened to have in my wallet was stolen, as were a couple of other lockers. Thank God I hadn't…

If it doesn't work then it should be taken down.

It's even worse, it means the police know it doesn't track criminals and so just want to track regular people.

It tests the water of how much the population is willing to be under surveillance.

Like boiling a frog you don't notice how much surveillance there is until it's too late.

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