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America's misguided culture of overwork

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Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

#31
From the artice: "Germany has the highest degree of worker control on the planet since the collapse of the Soviet Union." As if the Soviet union was a workers' paradise. There was lots of party control, but certainly not worker control.

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

#33
I believe the author is wrong about GDP contribution of free tuition:

"You know, it’s 50,000 dollars for tuition at NYU and it’s zero at Humboldt University in Berlin. So NYU adds catastrophic amounts of GDP per capita and Humboldt adds nothing."

Granted, there are several approaches to calculating GDP but none of them ignores the government spending.

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

#34
I've worked in both countries and I noticed at least one explanation for the productivity difference that isn't mentioned in the article. If a German is at risk of missing a deadline on a project he will put in a lot of extra hours to avoid that. An American who already puts in way more hours has much less time and energy left to make up for unforeseen circumstances. So the increase in flexibility pays off by avoiding rescheduling dependent projects. Perhaps this flexibility may have other benefits too, such as that people have more time to intellectually enrich themselves in ways that benefit the company.

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

#35

This guy has lots of facts wrong - makes you wonder about his accuracy in research: - no federally mandated six weeks of vacation time (though 4-5 weeks are the norm, even in private sector) - University tuition has been introduced recently (though still low, but will rise as obvious source of gov revenue) - Free nursing care / child care for a small percentage of toddlers only - No labor minister of that name (he is…

Vacations norm is more 5 to 6 weeks with 38h to 41h work week. That is, for all the people I know in Germany. (I know nobody with only 4 weeks). Please note that these are paid holidays, you have a lot of days off too (Christmas, etc.)

The University tuition is about €500/year.

Nursing/Day care for the kids (we have 3.5 and 1.5 year old kids) is from free to €200/€500 per month for both of them (it depends of your income and where you live).

For the title "minister" or alike, this is always a translation issue, it is always hard to map the name from one country to another because the same name may mean something different (Prime Minister in UK and France for example).

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

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post #31

From the artice: "Germany has the highest degree of worker control on the planet since the collapse of the Soviet Union." As if the Soviet union was a workers' paradise. There was lots of party control, but certainly not worker control.

Yes, comparing European 'socialism' to Soviet/Chinese style socialism ('communism') is so myopic that it has become a litmus test to detect writers who have at least a basic understanding of American/European system comparisons. Someone who sees 'socialism' and interprets it American-style, and thinks that Europe is that, starts out so wrong that anything based on those assumptions is tainted.

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

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post #5

"free university tuition" -> Not true anymore, it's more like 300-600 Euros per semester. Still not much compared to the US but enough for german students to protest and public banks to create state-sponsored student loans. This type of loan for students was unknown before in Germany.

Are there state-provided student loans in Germany? Here in the Netherlands there have been for years (decades maybe? - I'm an immigrant here, my knowledge only goes back 15 years or so ;) )

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

#38
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2.2% economic growth in the last quarter; higher than anything since reunification. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/aug/13/german-econom...

Guess my irony didn't show. Compared to the US and Asia and even EU-growth, Germany has not performed ahead of the pack at all, growth-wise. It has trailed behind US growth for years.

As a London based person, the 'suddeness' of the interest in Deutsche strategy is palpable.

Last years 'sick man' is now the healthiest man on the block:: IF the Keynsian stimulation favoured by America does not work.

Further, there are mounting concerns (valid or not) that China may not be the saviour some hoped. If that transpires, the situation will be bleak indeed for the indebted US and good for the 'austere' Germans. This may feel like being the 'best' survivors of a nuclear war however.

I think people are gently probing which entities will be the big players in the next few years and are trying to copy plays from their playbook.

Re: America's misguided culture of overwork

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This day and age, "social mobility" is mostly a function of the dysfunction and inequality of the society in question.

The -American angle is horribly overplayed. With some highly insulated exceptions, very few people actually have anything more than a thin veneer of rituals - if that - linking them to the "old country". There are some genetic personality traits but even those are more often shared with other Americans than people from the "old country" (stubbornness, distrust of authority, tendency toward religion etc.).

Oversimplified, for purposes of inspecting e.g. "work ethic", a person is the product of the country in which they lived their formative years. A second-generation immigrant will get some heritance from their parents but at that point the effect starts wearing off.

As to your dissection of "social democracy"...well. Suffice to say Europe is, from experience with both, much more democratic than the U.S.

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