What exactly is Full Stack these days? • Hacker News Board

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by legedemon » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 9:29 AM UTC

r-s wrote: post #24

"Full Stack" dev here, been coding for 16 or so years. CS degree in there somewhere. I've used every one of those technologies with the exception of Salt (Nothing against it, just have not used it). I don't think I am that much of a rare breed. Some of the AWS technologies many would not be exposed too, but learning an AWS build pipeline is not difficult if you have used competitors. I don't think that is that crazy…

Pretty much agree with what r-s has written above.Have spent 11+ years working/consulting for mostly startups. Have used everything listed above except Salt (Nothing against it but the Salt team should look to so some PR and build their case) and a lot more.

For example, this job post mentions nothing about monitoring solutions like Zabbix or centralized logging solutions like Graylog or message queues like RabbitMQ or any of the myriad specialized data stores, etc.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by romanovcode » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 9:32 AM UTC

> sysadmin (devops), a backend developer, a front-end developer

That's basically what full-stack means. I don't get what's your problem with this is.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by legedemon » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 9:34 AM UTC

flignats wrote: post #10

The candidate that fits all these requirements wouldn't be looking at their job posting.

Agree.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by legedemon » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 9:39 AM UTC

ccachor wrote: post #30

davidjnelson wrote: post #17

Lol idk if you’ve been doing this stuff for 20 years you’ll have those skills ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Probably except this one: A balance of technical, business, and social/emotional intelligence. More than likely someone with this sort of technical capacity doesn't score well in other areas.

Have to disagree a bit. If you aim to have this level and breadth of skill over a n-year period where nBut if this is built over 5+ years by reading, doing and learning from others and teaching others while understanding what level of abstraction/detail meets the current and future business requirements reasonably well, it's not that difficult or rare.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by legedemon » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 9:43 AM UTC

ccachor wrote: post #29

daedalbug wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except we're not talking about jet engines - I was asking at what point does basic become deep, hence the next remark referring to 'years of experience' as a benchmark

Really? At what point does basic become deep?

When you stop consulting stackoverflow to find answers to your queries because you know that you know more than the most people browsing and willing to answer your question on stackoverflow. Or when you start answering questions on a topic rather than just reading answers posted by others.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by jdowner » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 10:43 AM UTC

When I see job descriptions like this, I think one of two things: (1) either they don't know who they want, or (2) they don't know what they are making. Part of me wonders if they are trying to convey how smart and relevant they are. Of, perhaps, this is what happens when you write content with SEO in mind.

My personal red flag is the 'development certification'. Most of the certifications I have seen are more about the appearance of expertise than having actual expertise. This is something that you almost exclusively see in large bureaucracies, which leads me to believe that (1) -- they don't know who they want -- is the case and they are using a scatter-shot approach.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by danieltillett » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 10:49 AM UTC

ccachor wrote: post #27

StriverGuy wrote: post #13

I fail to see the issue with this post. Frankly, if you are learning and willing to try new technologies across areas of the web dev stack you should have a grasp on 80% of these things at least (I didn't say expertise). What I am more surprised by is the unwillingness by many - indicated in the comments - to explore things outside their domain.

I'm not sure you parsed the description correctly. They're not looking for someone with a mere grasp on these technologies. ========================================================= * Deep understanding of front-end JavaScript development using libraries such as React, Angular, etc. Deep understanding of means you know these frameworks and libraries well. If you know these libraries well, you're a front end developer…

As long as they are willing to pay three salaries it should be OK.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by ccachor » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 3:54 PM UTC

romanovcode wrote: post #32

> sysadmin (devops), a backend developer, a front-end developer That's basically what full-stack means. I don't get what's your problem with this is.

My understanding of full stack is frontend + backend web development. Sysadmin/devops is it's own discipline.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by SirZimzim » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 4:46 PM UTC

jdowner wrote: post #36

When I see job descriptions like this, I think one of two things: (1) either they don't know who they want, or (2) they don't know what they are making. Part of me wonders if they are trying to convey how smart and relevant they are. Of, perhaps, this is what happens when you write content with SEO in mind. My personal red flag is the 'development certification'. Most of the certifications I have seen are more about…

Certifications are big for consulting type jobs like the one OP described as it helps the clients gain confidence. This description even stated that they just want you to get it after you are hired, which is fine. Many developers will put it off or refuse to do it so it's good to set that expectation up front.

Re: What exactly is Full Stack these days?

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Post by CDCollier » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #20

davidjnelson wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh it just optimizes for someone with high intellectual curiosity imo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Imagine tech stacks are lottery balls. And they ask for 6 specific ones. What are the odds that you've picked the right balls? Unless we are talking about quantum humans that can learn all the things at the same time.

Staying informed, daily, on trends and reading the latest material helps the individual to adjust to meet the changing industry.

Study Computer Science, pick up a few languages, familiarize yourself with various technologies, read white papers and journals, and connect with experienced professionals in the industry. You needn't be fully prepared for all of the requirements, you need only be cognizant of the evolution of the industry and quick to study advancements in your field (as with just about any industry).