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Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #22
jblow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You named some random things that have been around for short periods of time and claimed that "they won". I don't get it.

Based upon momentum I believe the Electron based ecosystem has already won, yes. The momentum there eclipses... Eclipse, as well as many other closed and open source editors. If you don't see the Electron ecosystem as a winner today would you say they'll have won if all editors stay at their current momentum of new features and bug fixes?

How is it that text editors are all the sudden this weird competition where you have to win?

I get what you're saying, but I think you worry too much about social proof and momentum. It's also grossly unfair to Xi, a project in its infancy. As you mentioned earlier, there is room for another great editor. If the same logic had been applied towards the Electron based editors a few years ago, you'd be arguing against them based on 'pragmatism' because Emacs/vim exists.

What I'm trying to say is, people remember when you try to improve on things, even if you don't quite make it. Nobody remembers the guy commenting on a thread shooting it down. Decide which one you want to be.

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by Philipp__ »

eeks wrote: post #18
postit wrote: post #9

Xi creator did an amazing work implementing ropes ( https://github.com/google/xi-editor/tree/master/rust/rope ) The design documents ( https://github.com/google/xi-editor/tree/master/doc/rope_sci... ) explaining the concepts and implementation details is a must for those who want to understand its core. But I still have my regards regarding input latency being accredited only to the text editor. I recently switched b…

I must concur. With an equivalent vim setup and code files, nothing beats X11/suckless terminal on my OpenBSD machine. Comparing to that, even Alacritty looks like a slug. I must say however that things are looking a bit better in iTerm2 when switching the Metal renderer on. It's just a shame that an Nvidia GPU on OSX is necessary to compete with my $1000 Lenovo with its crappy Intel chip on OpenBSD when it comes to…

Wow, just gave iTerm2 Nightly with Metal renderer a spin! Holy shiet it's fast and smooth! FINALY! Opened 20k C file in Vim (stock vim 8 that comes with macOS High Sierra), pushed that scroll down and let it roll, it was soooo smooth! Amazing!

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by mschaef »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #22
jblow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You named some random things that have been around for short periods of time and claimed that "they won". I don't get it.

Based upon momentum I believe the Electron based ecosystem has already won, yes. The momentum there eclipses... Eclipse, as well as many other closed and open source editors. If you don't see the Electron ecosystem as a winner today would you say they'll have won if all editors stay at their current momentum of new features and bug fixes?

What exactly does 'won' mean to you in this context? Other than the fact you're tying it to some vaguely positive notion around momentum, it's not at all obvious what claim you're making.

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

amelius wrote: post #29
raphlinus wrote: post #11

Presenter here, feel free to ask questions. Also thanks to the awesome Recurse Center for inviting me to speak and making the recording, and the audience for their great questions.

Nice talk! I wonder, in the talk you say that you took some ideas from the design of Chrome; do you think that --in turn-- browsers could learn from the concepts in Xi? And another question: you are using multiple languages. Doesn't that make it needlessly difficult to express the same operations in different (concurrent) parts of the system? E.g. a character update is rendered on the screen (in Swift), and simultane…

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Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by euos »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #22
jblow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You named some random things that have been around for short periods of time and claimed that "they won". I don't get it.

Based upon momentum I believe the Electron based ecosystem has already won, yes. The momentum there eclipses... Eclipse, as well as many other closed and open source editors. If you don't see the Electron ecosystem as a winner today would you say they'll have won if all editors stay at their current momentum of new features and bug fixes?

10 years ago Eclipse was most popular editor and was considered the best. Java, C++, PHP. Aptana, IBM IDEs and many more. And now it is pretty much gone.

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by jjrh »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #14

Xi looks great, has a very clever design, and clearly is a next generation platform for building a useful and powerful editor. I'd love to see this project continue and be a success. I think there is plenty of room for yet another text editor. Here's where I'm going to be a bit of a party pooper. Pragmatically speaking all of the great stuff Raph is talking about doesn't really matter. What Raph cares about are the k…

Wasn't that long ago people said the same thing with sublime.

What looks nice about Xi is that the next cool editor can be built on top of it and leverage it's stability.

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by coldtea »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #14

Xi looks great, has a very clever design, and clearly is a next generation platform for building a useful and powerful editor. I'd love to see this project continue and be a success. I think there is plenty of room for yet another text editor. Here's where I'm going to be a bit of a party pooper. Pragmatically speaking all of the great stuff Raph is talking about doesn't really matter. What Raph cares about are the k…

>Pragmatically speaking all of the great stuff Raph is talking about doesn't really matter. What Raph cares about are the kind of things people who build text editors like to geek out on and again

Unfortunately that's not true. If only MORE people that build text editors actually DID geek out on such things. Alas, we have 30+ years of editors that got all those wrong.

>Imma let you finish but VSCode and Atom and the entire Electron ecosystem have once again proven that a sub-optimal but powerful platforms with low barriers to entry win most of the time

Well, they don't win with me. But even if so, I don't see why you can't have an optimal platform AND a big ecosystem. Or how json-rpc (which is what the plugins will need to talk to) is a high "barrier to entry".

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by coldtea »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #22
jblow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You named some random things that have been around for short periods of time and claimed that "they won". I don't get it.

Based upon momentum I believe the Electron based ecosystem has already won, yes. The momentum there eclipses... Eclipse, as well as many other closed and open source editors. If you don't see the Electron ecosystem as a winner today would you say they'll have won if all editors stay at their current momentum of new features and bug fixes?

>Based upon momentum I believe the Electron based ecosystem has already won, yes.

Based upon momentum Nicky Minaj is better than John Coltrane. So there's that.

Re: Xi: an editor for the next 20 years [video]

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Post by jrs95 »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #14

Xi looks great, has a very clever design, and clearly is a next generation platform for building a useful and powerful editor. I'd love to see this project continue and be a success. I think there is plenty of room for yet another text editor. Here's where I'm going to be a bit of a party pooper. Pragmatically speaking all of the great stuff Raph is talking about doesn't really matter. What Raph cares about are the k…

Atom and VS Code definitely haven't won for me. I don't use them, and personally I think they mostly suck. The plugin ecosystem seems to be the only benefit. But I actually need to use my system resources for things, so I'd rather not waste them for some minor conveniences in my editor.

Based on this video, I feel I'll almost certainly be using Xi for most of my editing in the future.

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