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If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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> The group tested an eclectic selection of materials, including a bag of chips (excellent), a soda can (surprisingly mediocre), and a potted plant (average). They were even able to recreate music playing using footage of the vibrating ear buds. The best material of all was the thin foil wrapper on a Lindt chocolate bar Davis had been snacking on. I hope it was the journalist who thought the soda can was surprisingly…

A thin foil wrapper is exactly a ribbon mic.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

#32

Disclaimer: I work for a professional microphone manufacturer. I wonder how long it'll be until this technique becomes feasible for recording professionally? Like, instead of capsules and diaphragms, we just have a laser that gets the cleanest, clearest possible signal it can, from the room around you ..

Do you guys have R&D working on moving the digitalization of audio into the mic? Like having a laser inside the mic read the ribbon and spit out a digital stream?

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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Impeached Arizona governor Evan Mecham (shortened term 1987-1988) was probably very paranoid during his time in office, but nobody gave credence to his concern over the possibility of "reflected laser use" to surveil him. From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Mecham) ...

    Throughout his administration, Mecham expressed concern about
    possible eavesdropping on his private communications. A senior
    member of Mecham's staff broke his leg after falling through a
    false ceiling he had been crawling over, looking for covert
    listening devices. A private investigator was hired to sweep
    the governor's offices looking for bugs. The Governor was quoted
    as saying, "Whenever I'm in my house or my office, I always have
    a radio on. It keeps the lasers out." After this was reported,
    a political cartoon by Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist
    Steve Benson appeared in the Arizona Republic depicting the
    governor leaving his house outfitted for laser tag. When asked
    about this by reporters, Attorney General Bob Corbin replied in
    amusement, "We don't have any ray gun pointed at him."
The guy was a tool but the guy had a point about surveillance technology, and nobody took him seriously.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speakers and microphones are both transducers, which is what the author seems to be getting at.

But leafs shake because they receive waves. Not the other way around.

It's also the other way around. Leafs when shaken produce waves in return.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

#35

Silly question: isn't this phenomenon bound by the Nyquist limit, which means it would take at the very least 4k fps to reconstruct music (considering that a soprano can get no higher than 2 kHz)? That sounds like an impossibly high framerate.

4K fps? Impossibly high? Not at all. There are consumer compact cameras and even smartphone sensors that can hit 1K fps [1] -- and those are not even specialist high speed cameras.

Specialist cameras hit 4k fps at second gear, and can go as high as million fps (and even trillion fps [2])!

Besides, this is about reproducing music frequencies, whereas the most probable target for this technology is eavesdropping, not as a replacement for Neumann U87 -- and for that you need way less range.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/7/14532610/so...

[2] https://newatlas.com/fastest-camera-44-trillion-frames-per-s...

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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post #17
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speakers and microphones are both transducers, which is what the author seems to be getting at.

But leafs shake because they receive waves. Not the other way around.

The sound is re-constructed from the shaking of the leaves. It's quite analogous to the way the sound is initially constructed from the vibration of a speaker membrane. The difference being that the medium of vibration which is used to propagate the "sound" is digital video rather than air.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But leafs shake because they receive waves. Not the other way around.

Another valid metaphor though is that video of the leaves can be decoded the same way video of a speaker would. The analogy works either way.

Yup. Interestingly, actual speakers work either way too. Reverse the polarity on them and you can use them as a crappy microphone.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

#38

Another cool thing is recovery of picture from ambient reflected light. Sadly it only works on CRTs. https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/emsec/optical-faq.html

You can indirectly photograph any object via its reflectivenes if you have a movable trackable light source and a camera pointed at a wall the object is facing.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

#39
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Wow, "everything is a speaker" really fails to convey how crazy this is. The implications for this in terms of surveillance seem to be massive!

This is rather old news re surveillance.

I wonder about reconstructing "off-screen" or muted conversation/noise in Youtube videos. Or CSPAN video.

Re: If you watch closely enough, everything is a speaker

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Everything is a microphone?

One could say these objects are both. They pick up sound, acting as microphones, and send it back out by vibrating, acting as speakers (amplifying it by a factor of less than one). The camera acts as the microphone for ‘hearing’ that sound.

I think you could hear that produced sound with a traditional microphone, but you would probably call it the echo of the original sound, and it might be hard to hear it over the original, typically much louder, sound.

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