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In Japan, there's an industry devoted to cleaning up after people who died alone

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"""Fujita and his team had carted away all his belongings, ripped off the wallpaper, checked under flooring, and scrubbed and disinfected the apartment from top to bottom. They left a deodorizing machine to run inside the apartment for a few days.""" Anybody have any idea what sort of device this `deodorizing machine` would be? I'm very curious what sort of technology could pull off such a feat.

Probably either an ozone generator or something that sucks air through a carbon filter.

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Reminds me of this documentary about Sweden. 50% of Swedes live alone, and 25% die alone. Often it takes a long time for someone to notice, as pensions come in to the account automatically, and the rent is also paid automatically. https://www.svtplay.se/video/10458343/the-swedish-theory-of-...

This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Sometimes she just says hey , but most other times she includes other info about her life or asks me questions. Her reasoning was that because she had a cat (at the time), she didn't want to become cat food should she died suddenly.

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This is why my mother sends me an email every morning.

Should be the other way around. Parents watched us every hour when growing up, as adults we should be the ones checking on them constantly.

In the West I rarely hear people who talk about their parents with great love and care. Instead I see parents praising their children all day long. These kids grow up feeling like a prize and they do not develop enough appreciation for the hard work it took their parents.

Growing up in Africa it felt like, as a child, you owed everything to your parents and they did you a favor taking care of you. While extreme, in the long run people take care of their parents and you will not hear of older people being alone let alone die alone.

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Is a decent solution to encourage pet ownership (dog or cat) among the single elderly? Not only can they help alleviate feelings of loneliness while you're alive but they could theoretically be trained to get help if you fall or if you eventually pass away.

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"""Fujita and his team had carted away all his belongings, ripped off the wallpaper, checked under flooring, and scrubbed and disinfected the apartment from top to bottom. They left a deodorizing machine to run inside the apartment for a few days.""" Anybody have any idea what sort of device this `deodorizing machine` would be? I'm very curious what sort of technology could pull off such a feat.

Probably either an ozone generator or something that sucks air through a carbon filter.

Aha, that must be what's on the box in that last image https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://w...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Sometimes she just says hey , but most other times she includes other info about her life or asks me questions. Her reasoning was that because she had a cat (at the time), she didn't want to become cat food should she died suddenly.

Off Topic: This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Should be the other way around. Parents watched us every hour when growing up, as adults we should be the ones checking on them constantly. In the West I rarely hear people who talk about their parents with great love and care. Instead I see parents praising their children all day long. These kids grow up feeling like a prize and they do not develop en…

It doesn't really matter if mom initiates the email exchange or child does. The important detail is daily communication from the elderly parent confirming they are alive and functional. If child sends email, the elderly parent still needs to reply or you have no mechanism to check if they are okay.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Sometimes she just says hey , but most other times she includes other info about her life or asks me questions. Her reasoning was that because she had a cat (at the time), she didn't want to become cat food should she died suddenly.

> she didn't want to become cat food should she died suddenly. I had a great-great aunt who lived alone and hoarded cats and dogs (and many other non-living things). She was partially eaten when they finally found her. My grandparents eventually moved in to that property, and now my parents have it as a second property. Every time I visit, I still get a little shudder when I think about what it must have been like to…

I’ve heard similar stories and seen it mentioned on cop show. It must be pretty common.

What about a device like the emergency buttons for elderly but it checks vitals? It could update loved ones daily. I bet you could use an Apple Watch.

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Is a decent solution to encourage pet ownership (dog or cat) among the single elderly? Not only can they help alleviate feelings of loneliness while you're alive but they could theoretically be trained to get help if you fall or if you eventually pass away.

Considering the few other comments about pets eating their dead owners, this plan about getting help if you die needs a bit of thought. Would you train your pet to use the phone? Could it leave your house whenever it wanted? How will you train it to get help? By playing dead a lot?

I'm in favor of pets as companionship, but an emergency button around your neck seems like a better way to get help with the exception of dieing in your sleep.

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Isn’t there one in America also ? Is the market significantly smaller in America ?

Lots of specialty clean-up firms in USA could clean up such a scene. They also do indoor firearm suicides and motel room meth labs, which are probably less common in Japan than here.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Sometimes she just says hey , but most other times she includes other info about her life or asks me questions. Her reasoning was that because she had a cat (at the time), she didn't want to become cat food should she died suddenly.

Off Topic: This is why my mother sends me an email every morning. Should be the other way around. Parents watched us every hour when growing up, as adults we should be the ones checking on them constantly. In the West I rarely hear people who talk about their parents with great love and care. Instead I see parents praising their children all day long. These kids grow up feeling like a prize and they do not develop en…

in the West, children are delegated to third parties (often strangers, not family)

Several government programs act as a poor substitute for family support.

Lack of incentive, lack of community and an emphasis on individualism creates people like that.

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Recommend also reading this beautiful and very sad NYT article from a couple of months ago. "A Generation in Japan Faces a Lonely Death" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/japan-lonely-d... Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15822064

Glad you posted this. I found the article from November to be quite moving. As someone who knows precious little about Japanese culture, it surprises me that someone would die alone - and then sit alone for a long time before discovery. I had always heard Japan was a very collectivist society. Does that play into this?

A collectivist society doesn't necessarily mean a supportive community. Part of being part of a collective means trying not to cause problems for the whole, even if it means some self-sacrifice on your part.

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Burdens also get left behind.

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