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The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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Re: The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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"Prizes are useful in bringing credibility to an industry, inspiring entrepreneurs and investors, and attracting new customers to an industry. Both the aviation and space benefited from the Orteig and Ansari X prizes. But, by challenging people to perform what are essentially stunts, they do not always address the fundamental technologies required to truly move a sector forward. And that can have deadly consequences.…

There are a lot of X Prizes. Many, like the lunar prize, are not dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Prize_Foundation The entire debate about a particular prize being nothing more than a stunt is a debate that doesn't fit well on HN. A private group getting to the moon and sending video back, could inspire others, which could get NASA a larger budget, or lead to more VC funding.

I think the debate forces an acknowledgement that the objectives themselves don't always have intrinsic value.

I agree there's a lot of things that can be gotten from it like NASA funding, but many people do not really "know" the utility of going to the moon.

For example, people will talk about mining on the moon, but I've only ever seen articles debunking the utility of this, and not a single in-depth analysis in favor of this. I might be looking in the wrong spots.

My theory is that relatively few people can justify the value of these efforts convincingly. This is part of why NASA doesn't have a bigger budget. "Whitey on the moon"[0] has a ring of truth to it.

Developing strong arguments for further development is one of the most effective ways for people to support further development.

Otherwise you end up with things like "We'll go to Mars for space tourism/exploration!". Which is... well you do what you want with your money, but that's a hell of a lot of money for tourism. Public funding will be hard to come by.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

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I work with a former GLXP team (PTScientists from Germany). We left the prize in early 2017 and will launch in 2019. We're actually grateful for the GLXP. It opened doors, it did spread the word and created a community, it forced us to push through to meet deadlines. We had to develop business models (the prize itself wouldn't cover the costs) and adopt a professional mindset while not losing the hacker approach. And…

Seconded. I worked with Astrobotic (https://www.astrobotic.com) while at CMU, and many of us have the GLXP to thank for becoming better engineers and leaders.

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post #13

Turns out no-one has $200 million to spend on winning $20 million. Weird.

Seriously, that's a laughably low "prize". If you could make it to the moon for < $20 million, the US government would have military bases there for cheaper than it costs to build a single fighter jet.

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> "Many now believe [landing on the moon] is no longer the sole purview of a few government agencies, but now may be achieved by small teams of entrepreneurs, engineers, and innovators from around the world."

It's odd that Google would cite this as the outcome of the Lunar X Prize: if anything, the failure of the Lunar X Prize is strong evidence against this very belief.

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post #34
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Turns out no-one has $200 million to spend on winning $20 million. Weird.

Seriously, that's a laughably low "prize". If you could make it to the moon for < $20 million, the US government would have military bases there for cheaper than it costs to build a single fighter jet.

I agree that this is a low amount, but I don't think the goal of a program like this is necessarily to fully pay for the cost of the project. After all, the winner hopefully has a useful asset at the end of it (a spacecraft, or self-driving car, or whatever else). I think it's more of a subsidy: "if you were thinking about designing a spaceship, here's a way to get it done for $20 million cheaper."

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I work with a former GLXP team (PTScientists from Germany). We left the prize in early 2017 and will launch in 2019. We're actually grateful for the GLXP. It opened doors, it did spread the word and created a community, it forced us to push through to meet deadlines. We had to develop business models (the prize itself wouldn't cover the costs) and adopt a professional mindset while not losing the hacker approach. And…

Seconded. I worked with Astrobotic ( https://www.astrobotic.com ) while at CMU, and many of us have the GLXP to thank for becoming better engineers and leaders.

Throwback to the milestone prizes we won in 2015: https://twitter.com/theAlexLavin/status/560103792805306369

Re: The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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post #27

I work with a former GLXP team (PTScientists from Germany). We left the prize in early 2017 and will launch in 2019. We're actually grateful for the GLXP. It opened doors, it did spread the word and created a community, it forced us to push through to meet deadlines. We had to develop business models (the prize itself wouldn't cover the costs) and adopt a professional mindset while not losing the hacker approach. And…

Just curious (not a competitor :), what business model is there in placing micro-sats on the moon?

Re: The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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I think there's still a private race to the moon. Some companies, notably, Astrobotic and Moon Express still seem set on getting there and have business models even though they dropped out of the Google contest. http://robohub.org/glxp-update-penn-state-lunar-lions-now-in...

This link is from 4 years ago.
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