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Re: Hetzner Cloud

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Post by TimWolla »

huhtenberg wrote: post #25

Keep in mind that Hetzner has a rather lax (non-existing?) policy when it comes to stopping outbound spam, so make sure to check that IPs you get from them are not on MX blacklists. To clarify - saying this as someone who was forced to blacklist their IPs on more than one occassion, not as someone who ran into tainted IPs as their customer.

From my experience this is false. Hetzner reacts to abuse notices and I never received a server with blacklisted IP addresses.

The only organization that caused issues is Microsoft / Outlook.com, but they seem to block every IP address by default. I was able to unblock myself by filling out a form and waiting a few hours for all my servers so far.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#32

Post by MrHetzner »

We currently use Hetzner (for 6 years with some minor troubles) in a mixed managed server (database)/VM (app, nginx, haproxy) setup.

Currently we have CX20 and CX30.

It looks this is getting cheaper + much more power.

CX20 2vCore/ 2GB/ 8,21 EUR

CX21 2vCore/ 4GB/ 5,83 EUR

CX30 2vCore/ 4GB/ 14,16 EUR

CX31 2vCore/ 8GB/ 10,59 EUR

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#33

Post by postit »

TimWolla wrote: post #31
huhtenberg wrote: post #25

Keep in mind that Hetzner has a rather lax (non-existing?) policy when it comes to stopping outbound spam, so make sure to check that IPs you get from them are not on MX blacklists. To clarify - saying this as someone who was forced to blacklist their IPs on more than one occassion, not as someone who ran into tainted IPs as their customer.

From my experience this is false. Hetzner reacts to abuse notices and I never received a server with blacklisted IP addresses. The only organization that caused issues is Microsoft / Outlook.com, but they seem to block every IP address by default. I was able to unblock myself by filling out a form and waiting a few hours for all my servers so far.

Same here.

I've used Hetzner for two years and I never had any issue regarding blacklisted Ip addresses.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#34

Post by jo909 »

eb0la wrote: post #18
etaty wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, it is. German laws for data protection apply.

Not German, but European Laws apply. This ( http://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj ) replaces all data proyection laws in the EU. Must comply now, but sanctions won't be in effect until may 25th.

EDIT: I seem to be wrong. This is a hybrid of a EU regulation that needs to be implemented into local law, and "EU law" that has direct application everywhere. Also there are specific rules on how much stronger the member states can make their local rules. I'm leaving my error in the text below.

That is not technically correct, and the difference matters.

The EU regulation forces it's members to implement their own local laws in alignment to the EU regulation. The EU regulation can get a member state into trouble if not implemented in time or correctly. They describe a set of "baseline" data protection laws for the whole EU, but the members can still have stronger local rules. Only the local law is what can get a resident company in trouble.

Germany has (had for a long time) very strong data protection laws that are still going to be stronger than the EU regulation.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#35

Post by iMarv »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #23
zython wrote: post #4

Whats the difference to their VPS's ? I had one until last month with pretty much the specs of the cx21 but it cost a little bit more ? Are they just lowering their prices or am I missing out on features ?

You can't rent a VPS with an API call, can you?

Or directly from your terminal :) https://github.com/hetznercloud/cli

e/ am part of the team working on hetzner cloud

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#36

Post by _urga »

huhtenberg wrote: post #25

Keep in mind that Hetzner has a rather lax (non-existing?) policy when it comes to stopping outbound spam, so make sure to check that IPs you get from them are not on MX blacklists. To clarify - saying this as someone who was forced to blacklist their IPs on more than one occassion, not as someone who ran into tainted IPs as their customer.

We hardly see spam from Hetzner Germany.

We have also had good experience with Hetzner South Africa's abuse department.

We do see plenty of spam from OVH however. On one occasion when we reported several IPs to them for sending Russian spam, they did not reply.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#38

Post by MulliMulli »

hit8run wrote: post #29

Can anyone compare their service to Linode or DigitalOcean? I'm currently using Linode but the Hetzner prices seem way lower: For 35€ a month I get 32GB RAM, 8 vCPUs, 240GB SSD + 20TB Traffic. The comparable 40$ plan for Linode offers 8GB RAM 4 CPU Cores 48GB SSD and 3 TB Transfer (See: https://www.linode.com/pricing ) Am I missing something or is Hetzner just way more competetive? https://www.linode.com/pricing

I have multiple Barebone servers with Hetzner, never had any problems. The only thing I don't like is their control panel.

Edit: Their Cloudhosting control panel is top notch.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#39

Post by huhtenberg »

TimWolla wrote: post #31
huhtenberg wrote: post #25

Keep in mind that Hetzner has a rather lax (non-existing?) policy when it comes to stopping outbound spam, so make sure to check that IPs you get from them are not on MX blacklists. To clarify - saying this as someone who was forced to blacklist their IPs on more than one occassion, not as someone who ran into tainted IPs as their customer.

From my experience this is false. Hetzner reacts to abuse notices and I never received a server with blacklisted IP addresses. The only organization that caused issues is Microsoft / Outlook.com, but they seem to block every IP address by default. I was able to unblock myself by filling out a form and waiting a few hours for all my servers so far.

They do react to notices, but they don't do much about them.

Emailing abuse@hetzner.de yields:

    Dear Sir or Madam,
    
    Thank you for your email.
    
    In order for us to process your request, we ask that you 
    please fill out the form at the following link:
    
    https://abuse.hetzner.de/
    
    Please use this form for all future complaints.
    
    Kind regards
    Abuse team
When told that they already have all the information in the original report, a human suddenly appears and replies that apparently every report needs to include a permission to be forwarded to the customer. Again, in the context of a clearly compromised box one would expect them to first block the box and then "follow up with the customer."

Still, even with this permission and several hours in, the box is still spamming, customer is "investigating" and Hetzner has done all they could to handle this incident.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#40

Post by scandox »

huhtenberg wrote: post #25

Keep in mind that Hetzner has a rather lax (non-existing?) policy when it comes to stopping outbound spam, so make sure to check that IPs you get from them are not on MX blacklists. To clarify - saying this as someone who was forced to blacklist their IPs on more than one occassion, not as someone who ran into tainted IPs as their customer.

Not my experience.
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