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Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by jgh »

rgbrenner wrote: post #27
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia. Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country. Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.

Indeed, my first thought when I read that was "why can't it just go through Iraq instead?" And as it turns out you've pointed out that there already is such a pipeline. So the whole theory stops making sense then.

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by sremani »

rgbrenner wrote: post #27
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia. Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country. Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.

I would not entirely see them as conspiracy theories, but by now we all know.. conflicts or military operations are conducted for one reason but are "sold" to public with different kind of marketing.. one in which they appeal to our better angles and in other to our worst fears.

So some of these stated items may be sub-plots, the truth is Iran - Saudi rivalry plays a major part in ME politics. Syria was a proxy battleground so was Yemen.

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by jpatokal »

kchoudhu wrote: post #2

This is as good a summary of what's going on in the GCC these days as I've seen since the blockade began in July, which is to say that everyone can describe what is happening, but no one seems to be able to explain why it is happening. The article's focus on regional leaders' egos is misplaced, I think, and fairly representative of our media's tendency to scrape the surface of any regional conflict that isn't in Euro…

Remember, these are all royalties where power is concentrated in a few people. Local politics consists basically of various family factions jockeying for power, so it gets very personal very fast and egos are a huge thing.

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by jpatokal »

Hasz wrote: post #4

My knowledge of middle eastern politics is not good, but how does Oman factor into this?

It doesn't. Both Kuwait and Oman try hard not to make waves so they can profit off both sides.

Incidentally, so does the UAE: a huge portion of local investment, especially in Dubai, is linked to Iran, and not just regular trade but sanctions busting, money laundering, etc.

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Post by paulcole »

_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

>Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us.

Genuine question, why should we trust you more than the article? How do we know you aren’t trying to fool us?

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Post by wilsonfiifi »

nashashmi wrote: post #17
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

Your information has depth. What articles have you been reading? I want to learn more.

You can check out Globalresearch [0], they tend to have a different take on current affairs. It’s always interesting to read the “Other side’s” perspective (with a little heap of salt nearby)

  [0] https://www.globalresearch.ca

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Post by baybal2 »

kchoudhu wrote: post #26
jessaustin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Al Jazeera has got to have something to do with it, right? The biggest threats to royalty are always their subjects, and even if AJ is somewhat discredited as Qatari propaganda in its neighbor's societies, it is also certainly more than that. As someone from a different hemisphere, I have to say the AJ Roku app is the single best way I've found to watch news. No one is risking the ire of his rulers to check out what…

The Al Jazeera thing always struck me as a canard: it's been in operation for the last 20 years, why did it suddenly become such a sticking point in 2017?

Few year prior, a Saudi King died at a surprisingly convenient moment

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Post by Reason077 »

rgbrenner wrote: post #27
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia. Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country. Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.

"It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country."

Except that at the time, Iraq was itself a highly unstable conflict zone. Building a pipeline in those conditions was not viable, and probably still isn't.

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Post by [deleted] »

Reason077 wrote: post #39
rgbrenner wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia. Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country. Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.

"It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country." Except that at the time, Iraq was itself a highly unstable conflict zone. Building a pipeline in those conditions was not viable, and probably still isn't.

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