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Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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This horrifies me! Can't think of anything I would want less than one of the big 5 US companies spying on me everywhere all the time.

Drone strike on your family? Indefinite solitary confinement? Opioid addiction? Global thermonuclear war?

You have a pretty good life if some company spying on you is the worst thing you can think of. (all examples inspired by just the last two days of news)

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All of my devices are Apple devices. A crappy Dell laptop and my disasstifaction with Windows led me to switch to Apple 12 years ago. I loved the Mac operating system and that momentum got me to buy iPads and their phones. I use Apple Music. I use iDrive. I don’t use Siri. Apple Maps sucks and as a result I don’t use CarPlay. Apple Music search sucks. There’s a bunch of thing now in Apple’s ecosystem that don’t “just…

I’m in the same boat, and resolved never to buy a new iPhone again since from a consumer perspective I believe the premium cost is unjustified. I bought my most recent iPhone on Swappa but I’m getting closer to the point where I leave Apple altogether. Last week I had to connect my iPhone to my computer (despite wireless sync being enabled), use iTunes to copy audiobook files to my phone, and then for some reason I c…

There are tons of simple ways to get those files into any video or book reader you want. Using iTunes you could have loaded them into the app if your choice as well. Granted it would be nice if iTunes had defaults for which apps what files went to, but this is entirely eliminated using the files app, airdrop, cloud services etc.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Google photos is one of the most amazing and useful apps I’ve ever used. Being able to search on the contents of a photo is the first real 21st app that I’ve run across, in my opinion.

However I’ll never move to Android. I’ve tried it and it just isn’t as good as iOS. I’m not saying iOS is great but it’s ceetainly better in my opinion.

Things like FaceTime are very easy for my parents and relatives to understand vs something like Skype or google hangouts. Photostream sharing is also a very easy and intuitive way for me to share pics of the kids with my relatives as well.

The biggest thing for me, though, was the fact that iMessage and iPhone was uncrackable by the fbi. It’s a very public fight they had to keep our data secure.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Vendor lock in through making products working together is not only present in Apple's ecosystem but in Google's and also Facebook . It looks like they changed their ecosystem to use Google Products because they have more feature that they want. All of these decisions are valid. To be honest the biggest issue with Google is the support and longevity of the software that they create. On Apple it seems like they are sl…

I don't see facebook surviving long term, they have close to no hardware presence (with the exception of oculus) and all their products are constantly challenged in one way or another. Very few people I know actually use facebook and even WhatsApp adoption is pretty low and inconsistent. In other words none of their products are essential or irreplaceable the way Google and Apple products are to some people.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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Well, we all know that the google services are pretty convenient, but the problem is much less their functionality as the things 'you have to do' in order to use them, like: - load all your images on their servers - load all your documents on their servers - load all your mails on their servers - load all your contacts on their servers - load all your appointments on their servers - load all your... That way it is co…

There are detailed user agreements for photos, drive and calendar that are comparable to other services, and agencies salivating at the thought of winning a class action privacy lawsuit. Google has to be pretty careful, because all it takes is one whistleblower and even Donald Trump won't be able to evict them from the global news cycle.

And it's not like Apple's any different here, or like it's realistic to try and do these sorts of things from local resources.

I've been working on moving a lot of my data and services off the cloud and it's very hard even if you know what you're doing. You need to be able to build a home lab, have some solution for connectivity to your home (most people have never heard of ngrok, dyndns simply doesn't work well for many use cases), and spend lots of money on storage. This isn't like renting more expensive cloud computing services, the cost is below $25USD a month.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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post #5

This horrifies me! Can't think of anything I would want less than one of the big 5 US companies spying on me everywhere all the time.

I've watched network traffic from ghome for over a year now. It is not even remotely "always on". It's running updates and pushing voice to commands.

This seems like quite a distorted definition of spying. Is Hacker News spying on you by keeping access logs of site usage? That doesn't seem like a fair characterization either.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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All of my devices are Apple devices. A crappy Dell laptop and my disasstifaction with Windows led me to switch to Apple 12 years ago. I loved the Mac operating system and that momentum got me to buy iPads and their phones. I use Apple Music. I use iDrive. I don’t use Siri. Apple Maps sucks and as a result I don’t use CarPlay. Apple Music search sucks. There’s a bunch of thing now in Apple’s ecosystem that don’t “just…

I'm in a similar boat, even down to when/why I switched. I have an Apple Watch, MBP, and iPhone, and am mostly happy with them. I also have a google home and a bunch of chromecasts. Siri just doesn't seem to work as well, while home is constantly improving. Software wise, Inbox is better than Mail.app, Google maps are better, Google calendar is better, Google photos are better, etc...

I was offered an iPad mini in 2012, decided to buy a MacBook Pro in 2013 and it ultimately led me to buy an iPhone a bit later and eventually an Apple Watch. I was very contented with it all.

It's 2018 and my iPhone is sluggish as hell. My Mac is really slow too, and I definitely believe that the price of those devices is really too high for the time they last. I couldn't resolve to get back to the big G, because I really care about my privacy.

After some research, I rented a VPS (2vCPU, 4GB RAM, 2TB disk for 11€/month) and installed a Nextcloud instance on it to backup my files and photos mostly. I got back my old Nexus 5 and installed LineageOS without Google Apps nor MicroG (all I have installed on it comes from F-Droid, which rebuilds from source and signs the apk).

I can tell I'm much more satisfied with this set-up. I have to use an iPhone 6 at work, and it feels really silly that an older Nexus 5 is lightning fast compared to my iPhone 6. The latter keeps hanging and freezing all the time. Even simple tasks as text messaging or email consultation is a pain.

Re: Google Is Eating Apple's Ecosystem for Lunch

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All of my devices are Apple devices. A crappy Dell laptop and my disasstifaction with Windows led me to switch to Apple 12 years ago. I loved the Mac operating system and that momentum got me to buy iPads and their phones. I use Apple Music. I use iDrive. I don’t use Siri. Apple Maps sucks and as a result I don’t use CarPlay. Apple Music search sucks. There’s a bunch of thing now in Apple’s ecosystem that don’t “just…

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