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2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by Retric »

uzzgae wrote: post #21
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some cities in the US rate just as high as the deadlier Latin America countries (Chicago, South Bend, IN, Indianapolis, Philadelphia) http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the...

I wonder if some cities in the deadlier Latin America countries rate higher than the deadlier Latin American average.

#1 Caracas, Venezuela, had 130.35 homicides per 100,000 residents.

That's significantly higher than average, but not 'crazy' relative to Venezuela's murder rate of 90 per 100,000.

On the other hand Washington DC was ~70-80 from 1988 to 1998, which would have put it on the current list of top 10 deadliest city's worldwide. DC: (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-homicide-spikes-c...)

Current top 50: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-wo...

PS: Homicide rates are not necessarily accurate, but tend to be closer to reality than say rape statistics.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by Retric »

adventured wrote: post #24
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some cities in the US rate just as high as the deadlier Latin America countries (Chicago, South Bend, IN, Indianapolis, Philadelphia) http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the...

Comparing cities to countries doesn't make sense. Amsterdam has a murder rate commonly as high as the whole of the US. That isn't a rational comparison and isn't indicative of the murder rate of the Netherlands.

Both city's and countries rates vary a lot by area. However, comparing the numbers is IMO fairly meaningful for a general idea how dangerous they are.

Currently, St. Louis, United States, sit's at # 14 most dangerous city worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by randomdrake »

I could not find official data yet for 2017, but they're missing a big one on this list and that's the United States Virgin Islands. 2015 brought 32.9 murders per 100,000 and they are consistently ranked as having one of the highest murder rates per capita of anywhere in the U.S.

That's a U.S. territory with a higher murder rate than Brazil.

This includes St. Thomas, St. John, and St. Croix.

I lived there for only a few years and experienced the loss of two friends due to homicide in that short time, on an island that is only 13 miles long, and 32 square miles.

Many of these crimes go unsolved despite such a small population, in such a small place, due to corruption, fear, and lack of resources.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by bluedino »

afpx wrote: post #10
adventured wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between states is also fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_the_United_States_by... From New Hampshire at 1.1, Hawaii at 1.3, and Vermont at 1.6 to Mississippi at 8.7 and Louisiana at 10.

There’s a strong negative correlation between latitude and crime. One hypothesis is that people further away from the equator spend more time inside annually, and thus have less opportunity for crime.

Chicago? Flint? Detroit?

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by leovonl »

It makes zero sense to look at nationwide average for Brazil to draw any conclusions without looking at per-state or per-region data.

Northern region has places with 60+ homicide rate, southern region has places with 3-4 homicide rate.

Take a look at this article: https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_unidades_federativa...

And this map with some of the highest/lowest homicide rates: http://55ca7cd0-f8ac-0132-1185-705681baa5c1.s3-website-sa-ea...

Both in Portuguese but I think it's not hard to make sense of the numbers (rate is 1/100k, map colours describe increase/decrease in violence, bottom lines show current top/bottom rates in cities with 100k+ residents).

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by Red_Tarsius »

quantumleap22 wrote: post #3

For comparison, overall and by-race data for the US: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6631a9.htm

That chart is far from surprising. I was shocked to find out that 52% of US homicides recorded between 1980 and 2008 were committed by black offenders, but only around 13% of Americans are black! Pointing to poverty rates is not a satisfactory answer. Whatever the reason, people should be able to acknowledge hard truths and still uphold equal rights.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by purple-again »

Retric wrote: post #32
adventured wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing cities to countries doesn't make sense. Amsterdam has a murder rate commonly as high as the whole of the US. That isn't a rational comparison and isn't indicative of the murder rate of the Netherlands.

Both city's and countries rates vary a lot by area. However, comparing the numbers is IMO fairly meaningful for a general idea how dangerous they are. Currently, St. Louis, United States, sit's at # 14 most dangerous city worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Yet millionaires sit having tea in St Louis right now with zero fear that they are in any danger. City metrics are as useful as state and country. Some places are safer than others. Usually determined by how much mONEY is available in that place to pay for armed force to keep it safe.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by superioritycplx »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #36
quantumleap22 wrote: post #3

For comparison, overall and by-race data for the US: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6631a9.htm

That chart is far from surprising. I was shocked to find out that 52% of US homicides recorded between 1980 and 2008 were committed by black offenders, but only around 13% of Americans are black! Pointing to poverty rates is not a satisfactory answer. Whatever the reason, people should be able to acknowledge hard truths and still uphold equal rights.

It's even more shocking when you realize that most homicides are done by men, so 6.5% of Americans account for 52% of the homicides.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by thelock85 »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #36
quantumleap22 wrote: post #3

For comparison, overall and by-race data for the US: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6631a9.htm

That chart is far from surprising. I was shocked to find out that 52% of US homicides recorded between 1980 and 2008 were committed by black offenders, but only around 13% of Americans are black! Pointing to poverty rates is not a satisfactory answer. Whatever the reason, people should be able to acknowledge hard truths and still uphold equal rights.

Citations?

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by Red_Tarsius »

thelock85 wrote: post #39
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That chart is far from surprising. I was shocked to find out that 52% of US homicides recorded between 1980 and 2008 were committed by black offenders, but only around 13% of Americans are black! Pointing to poverty rates is not a satisfactory answer. Whatever the reason, people should be able to acknowledge hard truths and still uphold equal rights.

Citations?

Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Page 3, Table 1: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
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