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Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by swombat »

linkmotif wrote: post #10
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

Not to go totally Adam Smith here, but if everyone did this, wouldn’t this just drive the cost of meat down? Making it even cheaper than it already is? Wouldn’t it make more sense to explicitly seek out “better” meat? Anyway, I agree, definitely no need to eat meat more than once a day, if not every other day etc.

Temporarily I guess it would drive the price down, and then production would adjust to meet the lowered demand.

Think about it this way: if the number of meat eaters halved overnight, meat would be really cheap for a while, then a bunch of producers would go out of business and prices would rise again, and prices would stabilise again once production was half what it used to be.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by Retric »

enord wrote: post #14
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

When has this attitude _ever_ been the solution to a shared-resource problem? I'm not being snarky, I want to know. It feels like solving traffic mortality by pasting a "drive carefully"-sticker inside the windshield, doing nothing other than establishing who is morally responsible.

It works very well for moderate changes. Look into the history of Boycotts and they have actually changed quite a bit about how several industries work.

Antibiotics is actually a fairly minor benefit to the meat industry, so it's a winning strategy assuming significant popular support.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by sifoo »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #18
linkmotif wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you need to invoke concentration camps here, true as it may be in some cases. They use antibiotics to make them grow faster. That’s half the reason.

My understanding is that this practice is now banned in both the US and EU.

Sounds like a bedtime story in my ears. We're eating more and more meat, and demanding that it gets cheaper and cheaper while the stock market index needs to go higher and higher. It won't stop until the majority is willing to look beyond the bullshit we're being fed and start using their brains.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by xapata »

linkmotif wrote: post #10
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

Not to go totally Adam Smith here, but if everyone did this, wouldn’t this just drive the cost of meat down? Making it even cheaper than it already is? Wouldn’t it make more sense to explicitly seek out “better” meat? Anyway, I agree, definitely no need to eat meat more than once a day, if not every other day etc.

Lower price signals the suppliers to find different work to do.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by akoncius »

enord wrote: post #27
akoncius wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, it’s like telling people to stop driving cars at 100 miles per hour inside city. makes sense.

We do that, but with laws and signs and police and stuff. Not with stern admonition.

so if there would be a law restricting meat consumption then everything would be fine?

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by belorn »

swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

Since this article talk about fish farms there is very obvious solution and that is eat wild caught fish, preferable from places where there is either a overpopulation or where there are invasive species. Plenty of such meat in the world where eating it would have a net-positive on the environment.

Know one lake where the price of the overpopulated fish species in it is so low that just transporting it to a cat food factory would be a loosing deal.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by enord »

sifoo wrote: post #20
linkmotif wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you need to invoke concentration camps here, true as it may be in some cases. They use antibiotics to make them grow faster. That’s half the reason.

What's the difference then? Piling up living beings in awful conditions to kill them in the most cost-effective way is pretty much the definition of a concentration camp. And making them grow faster than they're supposed to at the expense of everything isn't very nice either.

They're not people. Concentration camps are for people. At least we don't eat them alive, like their other natural predators.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by swombat »

unmango wrote: post #11
swombat wrote: post #6

Do you feel helpless to stop the problem of antibiotics use in the meat industry? You’re not! Here’s a simple easy trick you can use to reduce its impact on the world: eat less meat. You don’t need meat in 3 meals a day. Reduce it to 1 meal a day and you’ve already reduced your antibiotics impact by 2/3. Cut down to one meat meal a week and that’s a 96% reduction. You’re not powerless. Vote with your wallet and your…

What if I'd rather eat meat all day? Is there any way to stop the antibiotics use without eating like a rabbit?

If you’d rather eat meat all day, then you’re probably saying this problem is not important enough to you. Which is totally fine, it’s your choice. I just want you to realise you have a choice.

Also, vegetarian food can be really delicious. Go to a good vegetarian restaurant some day and order something that sounds tasty - it probably will be and you may not miss the meat as much as you think!

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by sifoo »

enord wrote: post #37
sifoo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference then? Piling up living beings in awful conditions to kill them in the most cost-effective way is pretty much the definition of a concentration camp. And making them grow faster than they're supposed to at the expense of everything isn't very nice either.

They're not people. Concentration camps are for people. At least we don't eat them alive, like their other natural predators.

At least they have a chance to fight for their survival, which makes all the difference. If it's horrible when done to humans, it's horrible when done to animals. And as long as we keep doing it to animals, we shouldn't expect to escape the same fate ourselves; Karma 101.

Re: Chile’s salmon farms may use more antibiotics than any other meat industry

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Post by delbel »

i_feel_great wrote: post #23
linkmotif wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you need to invoke concentration camps here, true as it may be in some cases. They use antibiotics to make them grow faster. That’s half the reason.

They grow faster because they are less sick. Antibiotics are not like growth hormones.

That is probably true (that they don't act like growth hormones) but last I visited the subject, scientist don't know exactly why, but antibiotics actually do increase growth in some livestock.
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