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Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by Spooky23 »

emsy wrote: post #2

IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.

Blackberry went through the same issue with the a similar outcome.

Personally, I see this as a positive development, as it signals that the company is doing what it claims to, promoting the PRC to get the same accommodation that Office 365 delivered versus giving the state the level of access it demands.

If you feel strongly or have a requirement to control your account principal, you should not be using a third party identity store.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by wjn0 »

oh-kumudo wrote: post #23
kome wrote: post #5

In Europe we need to do like in China. Or our tech industry is doomed to stay small...

Seconded. Certain level of protectionism is good for business, Trump has proved that. We need to decentralize/democratize the tech industry across the globe, not concentrated in US. EU should start providing incentives to local companies to build their own business that serve its own people, other than becoming US's satellite states.

> Trump has proved that

Could you link to some articles about this?

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by gaius »

justaman wrote: post #22
chinatrnp wrote: post #15

Much as I hate Trump, I'd love for him to do something about China. If China won't open their tech markets maybe we force them to. PS: don't make this a Trump hate sub thread. Stay on topic if you reply to me

Don't mention Trump on this forum even if you preface what you say with disdain. You'll never go positive. I agree that the US/EU needs to be harder on China. Its been very one sided in recent years. The real issue, I think, is their disregard for intellectual property. You bend over backwards to get into their market, then a year later a government backed firm with an identical product puts you out of business. They…

They won't get away with that for long, believe you me

What year do you predict they will no longer get away with it?

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by cromwellian »

kome wrote: post #18
cromwellian wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protectionism isn’t going to make your tech industry globally competitive.

No, but who cares? Tencent, Baido, etc are not globally competitive, but they are very fine. You know what else is not going to make European tech industry globally competitive? The chronic lack of money, because it's all siphoned away by google, amazon, apple, and such. Do we need a global competition? Why? An internal competition in a huge market is good enough. China encouraged the development of a strong internal…

China has a population of 1+ billion who are firewalled both by network access and by language.

European citizens have better English proficiency and no great firewall, hence the transaction barriers to consuming global services are easier.

I’m afraid you have to be globally competitive unless the EU wants a Great Firewall.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by cromwellian »

ISL wrote: post #24
cromwellian wrote: post #17

Money trumps principles plain and simple. My guess is this will continue until the day Apple sales in China decline below a certain level, then they’ll be a ‘brave, principled’ decision announced that they are shutting down iCloud in China or withdrawing from the market altogether.

In Apple's case, as the Apple manufacturing base is largely Chinese, the government has considerable leverage regarding corporate decisions.

If I was Apple then, I’d start investing some of that $200 billion they have in the bank in some advanced nonchinese manufacturing. Get some balls like Elon Musk and take some risks.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by jitl »

shp0ngle wrote: post #35

Apple to FBI: No you can't get into iPhones, our users want security. Apple to China: Here are the keys

The difference is that it’s within Apple’s rights in the US to refuse to cooperate with a warrant in the way that they did. The constitution of the United States has strong protections for individuals’ privacy from the state.

This is not the case in China.

In both cases, they are protecting user privacy to the greatest extent they can by law.

Secondly, Apple is not handing the keys to their system over to China. Instead, they are deploying a separate system for Chinese accounts to preserve the privacy and security of all other accounts. And finally, they are not compromising the Secure Enclave or any device security features.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by jitl »

codedokode wrote: post #33

That might be a mistake. Once Apple makes a deal with China, Russia will ask for the same deal. Russian government want to keep the data in their country too.

If the choice is either to comply with those governments, or loose an enourmous market, Apple will comply in both cases.

Re: Apple: Chinese firm to operate China iCloud accounts

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Post by lostlogin »

Y_Y wrote: post #26
ISL wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer that China allow its citizens to freely access the global internet.

I was going to comment that I think the question referred to what course of action /Apple/ should take, but maybe fundamentally changing superstates is not off the table when you have multinational megacorp resources.

What are you suggesting? Revolution?
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