Live data from Hacker News

James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

techcrunch.com

31–40 of 1001 posts

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#31
post #3

From the article: > women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering Why do news outlets persistently misrepresent what he actually said? I've read his memo and just about every news article says it contains claims that it doesn't. I have no view on whether he's right or not, but I remain shocked at the misrepresentation of his views throughout the tech media.

>Why do news outlets persistently misrepresent what he actually said?

Because this creates controversy, controversy creates engagement and engagement brings more ad revenue to the news outlets.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#32
post #11
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Techcrunch is just setting themselves up for libel

Is it libelous to interpret someones words in a way they don't like?

IANAL, but I think so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misrepresentation

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What wording do you suggest they use?

I think he said something about biologically less INTERESTED in engineering, nothing about capability.

The memo is online, you can verify in 10 seconds that he used the phrase "preferences and abilities".

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#35
post #10
post #3

From the article: > women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering Why do news outlets persistently misrepresent what he actually said? I've read his memo and just about every news article says it contains claims that it doesn't. I have no view on whether he's right or not, but I remain shocked at the misrepresentation of his views throughout the tech media.

From his memo: > I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. He said exactly that, right there. Why do conservatives…

Why is suggesting the distribution of certain qualities in men and women are different “repugnant crap”? There is ample evidence that men and women have behavioral differences. This exists across all mammals. I don’t know whether that makes the average man or average woman[1] better at any particular task, but it’s not an absurd hypothesis. Surely it’s worth reasoned consideration, not moral outrage at the very thought.

[1] And averages are of course irrelevant when dealing with individuals, who should each be judged according to their own merit, not according to generalizations of the groups they belong to.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#36

Will watch this with interest AFAIK discriminating against conservative white men isn’t illegal. It’s not a protected class. There must be some twist here.

In California, workplace discrimination due to politics is illegal [1]

In USA, discrimination due to sex is illegal.

[1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#37
post #10
post #3

From the article: > women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering Why do news outlets persistently misrepresent what he actually said? I've read his memo and just about every news article says it contains claims that it doesn't. I have no view on whether he's right or not, but I remain shocked at the misrepresentation of his views throughout the tech media.

From his memo: > I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. He said exactly that, right there. Why do conservatives…

Hacker news is every bit as full of misogynistic assholes as reddit/4chan, they all worship Paul Graham who basically has the same world view as Damore.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#38

A fool and his money are soon parted.

You really think the firm is taking an upfront fee or retainer for this? I assume they are expecting a settlement from Google/Alphabet so that the company can put an end to this PR nightmare once and for all, from which they will take a cut.

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

#39
post #10
post #3

From the article: > women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering Why do news outlets persistently misrepresent what he actually said? I've read his memo and just about every news article says it contains claims that it doesn't. I have no view on whether he's right or not, but I remain shocked at the misrepresentation of his views throughout the tech media.

From his memo: > I’m not saying that all men differ from all women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. He said exactly that, right there. Why do conservatives…

I don't think anyone would dispute that statistically women differ from men in some abilities (e.g. ability to lift weights, and also some more mental capabilities such as 3d rotation), but it's a far fetch from this to "biologically less capable of engineering", which Damore did not say
Post reply on HN