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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Klathmon » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:10 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #20

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

It's always been my sincere opinion that even if Musk fails miserably I'll still admire him more than most other "tech idols". There are people that say he's all talk, but I don't care. Even if he's 75% talk and delivers on the rest, whatever he does achieve is still better than a face-detecting smartphone or a social network that makes money by profiling your personality for advertisers. I don't care about the money…

Musk isn't a PR guy, and I think a lot of people respect and like him for that.

He makes crazy "moonshots", he has a vision and doesn't tone it down nearly as much as others do, and he's not afraid to be "wrong".

The SpaceX community has a running joke about "elon time" being set to mars time, because his predictions and goals are almost always late (and are often under delivering), but I honestly respect that. Him and his companies aren't taking the "easy way out" of making easily achievable goals and then making them again and again. They are shooting for unlikely and in some cases almost impossible goals, and getting 70-90% of the way there, and they aren't exactly ashamed of it. IIRC there was a reddit thread a while back that was "bashing" Elon and Tesla and SpaceX about only hitting something like 70% of the goals they set, but I read it differently. They set out to revolutionize 3 different industries (cars, space, and now "boring" and public transport), and even if they can only get to "70% revolutionized", it's still a massive win in my opinion!

He's not perfect, I hear lots of bad things from many employees about the work environment, but overall I really respect the man and the companies he has created, and I think he has and will continue to do a lot for humanity.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by ianai » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:11 PM UTC

Fej wrote: post #21

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

The negativity is because Tesla has some truly abhorrent business practices. For me, it's out of love, not hate. Of course, there's a lot of people who stand to gain from Tesla failing.

I’ve heard he doesn’t pay well. It would be a lot easier to support a “visionary” if they believed in treating their employees well. Henry Ford did it a century ago. We probably got a golden age (of sorts) out of that.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Kayou » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:12 PM UTC

skgoa wrote: post #29

Kayou wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt More like the Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera e, the i3 has very limited range while the Chevy/Opel offers between 300 and 500km of range thanks to its much bigger 60kWh battery. The BMW i3 only has a 33kWh battery in the newer version, previous one was even less than that... The Leaf 2018 goes in the right direction, but 40kWh is still no enough to do 3h…

The Tesla 3s that are currently getting delivered to customers are up to $20k more expensive than the Bolt. That people see the two cars as more or less equivalent is a massive success for GM.

Yes, but isn't the Model 3 supposed to sell for around 35 to 40k $ when it reaches a bigger production? That was my comparison.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by kumarvvr » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:12 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #30

kumarvvr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are people that say he's all talk I really wish there is stronger support for him against these sorts of people. How can he be all talk when we see his rockets going up and coming back down.

Well first of all they're not his rockets. The engineers and scientists did it, he supplies the money, arguably a meritless in ck prison. Second, there are many promises he still hasn't delivered on: SpaceX targets not met, Tesla still running at a massive loss, Hyperloop being doomed to failure, etc etc. I can definitely see why people say he is mostly talk, even though admittedly he has achieved some successes.

It's really his push, his vision and his risk. NASA had tremendous resources for decades, with some of the best minds of 21st century working there. They didn't produce self landing rockets, and on top of that, it makes complete business and economic sense too.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by gibasmaciej » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:17 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

Where does information about negativity come from? It's not negativity if other people don't care about topic.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by tgarma1234 » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:18 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

One thing that put me off about tesla, if you overlook all of the manufacturing issues that pretty much every analyst says will doom the company, is that for some bizarre reason the models were intentionally named in order to spell out S3XY. After Harvey Weinstein I think we all need to take a good hard look at the men who are in charge of things and ask, "why?" People don't get a free pass on being creeps just because they are blowing a lot of money anymore.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by kumarvvr » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:20 PM UTC

Klathmon wrote: post #31

hnarn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always been my sincere opinion that even if Musk fails miserably I'll still admire him more than most other "tech idols". There are people that say he's all talk, but I don't care. Even if he's 75% talk and delivers on the rest, whatever he does achieve is still better than a face-detecting smartphone or a social network that makes money by profiling your personality for advertisers. I don't care about the money…

Musk isn't a PR guy, and I think a lot of people respect and like him for that. He makes crazy "moonshots", he has a vision and doesn't tone it down nearly as much as others do, and he's not afraid to be "wrong". The SpaceX community has a running joke about "elon time" being set to mars time, because his predictions and goals are almost always late (and are often under delivering), but I honestly respect that. Him a…

>He makes crazy "moonshots"

His back of hand calculations on the viability of self-landing rockets, while coming back from a trip to Russia after a failed attempt to purchase a launch vehicle certainly wasn't moonshot.

He is a technology man in and out and knows the capabilities and limits of technology. I remember reading a book about Tesla and I always felt like he saw opportunities in the gaps existing between what is available and what is possible.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Strom » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:21 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #30

kumarvvr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are people that say he's all talk I really wish there is stronger support for him against these sorts of people. How can he be all talk when we see his rockets going up and coming back down.

Well first of all they're not his rockets. The engineers and scientists did it, he supplies the money, arguably a meritless in ck prison. Second, there are many promises he still hasn't delivered on: SpaceX targets not met, Tesla still running at a massive loss, Hyperloop being doomed to failure, etc etc. I can definitely see why people say he is mostly talk, even though admittedly he has achieved some successes.

> Well first of all they're not his rockets.

Am I understanding this correctly, that the criticism of Elon Musk being all talk is because he didn't personally perform all the work in achievements like Falcon 9 and Model S?

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by timmonsjg » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:23 PM UTC

tgarma1234 wrote: post #36

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

One thing that put me off about tesla, if you overlook all of the manufacturing issues that pretty much every analyst says will doom the company, is that for some bizarre reason the models were intentionally named in order to spell out S3XY. After Harvey Weinstein I think we all need to take a good hard look at the men who are in charge of things and ask, "why?" People don't get a free pass on being creeps just becau…

>People don't get a free pass on being creeps just because they are blowing a lot of money anymore

The man wants his car designs to evoke an image of being sexy and you consider him a creep? That's a way over-dramatic interpretation.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by makomk » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:24 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #4

GrumpyNl wrote: post #2

Nice news, but when will they deliver? Maybe its time they start to answer that question first.

This was a customer car, so it would seem that the answer is “they already have.”

As far as anyone can tell, this is the first non-employee who's received his Model 3 and he took delivery on the 26th of December, two days before starting this drive - so presumably he's not exactly your average customer.