Live data from Hacker News

Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

bbc.com

31–40 of 142 posts

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#31
post #24

I raised this concern in a comment last week. We are going to see more instances of this. Remember how in the movies they break into a bank manager's house and hold the family captive while someone goes with the manager to open the bank vault? Same thing is inevitably going to happen IRL. I always say exchangers are Bitcoins weakest link. All it takes is one compromised employee at Coinbase or another large exchanger…

How many of these kidnappings are going to be faked to provide cover for a theft? It's exactly the thing I would do.

or cover for a fuck up / hacking.

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#32
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a neat idea. Do you mind expanding on it?

You could take a private key and split it into three parts and store them separately.

You should rather xor it with two other random keys.

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#33
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can use the strengths of cryptocurrency and split a key between a safe deposit box, your home, and yourself, and require 2 of 3 of them to get the original key.

That definitely helps against many scenarios, but "home and yourself" means you're still in immediate control of funds while you're at home, so you're still vulnerable to armed robbery. You want to make it so your answer to the robber is "I can't, the bank's not open."

Then make it 3 of 3, it all depends on your threat model.

For me, my biggest threat is loss, followed by theft, so it makes sense to have some redundancy even if it means reducing the security against theft.

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#34
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a neat idea. Do you mind expanding on it?

Shamir's Secret Sharing allows this even without dealing with multisig wallets.

I like the idea but I wish there were a widely-trusted implementation with public security reviews, maybe built into wallet software.

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#35
post #21

Mathematical basis for Bitcoin still compromised by "rubber hose" cryptanalysis. Let this be a reminder that physical security is a necessary precursor to computer security. And I also hope that Exmo's succession plan executor takes the precaution of staying up late tonight to move all their reserves to new wallets.

The mathematical basis for multisig wallets is explicitly resistant to rubber-hose cryptanalysis, if the keys are distributed sensibly (e.g. with one going off to a counter party in a different political regime who can’t be compelled by the same state-actors as you to share keys.)

The best way to not get your car stoken is to leave the engine in a warehouse in Germany, the chassis in a car park in Brazil and the rest in your garage in California. That's super secure but how do you use it every day?

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#36
post #27

So it appears criminals are getting wiser and a new wave of home and personal robberies may emerge. Will this push crypto owners to entrust their currency with more secure institutions, leading to these "decentralized" currencies to be once again under control and manipulated by banks and governments?

Probably the criminals were upset about their withdrawals taking so long ;p

It took me like 2 months to cash out the first time.

Seriously, I don't think this will scare off anyone, especially not exchanges. They make so much money right now they can just hire bodyguards.

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#37
post #24

I raised this concern in a comment last week. We are going to see more instances of this. Remember how in the movies they break into a bank manager's house and hold the family captive while someone goes with the manager to open the bank vault? Same thing is inevitably going to happen IRL. I always say exchangers are Bitcoins weakest link. All it takes is one compromised employee at Coinbase or another large exchanger…

2018 will be an interesting year for decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps.

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#39
post #27

So it appears criminals are getting wiser and a new wave of home and personal robberies may emerge. Will this push crypto owners to entrust their currency with more secure institutions, leading to these "decentralized" currencies to be once again under control and manipulated by banks and governments?

[deleted]

Re: Exmo Bitcoin exchange chief executive kidnapped in Kiev

#40
post #38

The Winkofloss brothers stores their codes right to prevent these type of kidnappings. They distributed the keys across states and bank vaults.

winklevoss? Distributing keys doesn't prevent you from having a few "digits" (no pun intended) removed. "Oh you can't get them? Call the other key-holders. Better hope they like your fingers as much as you do."
Post reply on HN