Editorial: Waiter, there's a Nazi theme in my Android Market • Hacker News Board

Re: Editorial: Waiter, there's a Nazi theme in my Android Market

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Post by rbanffy » Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

krschultz wrote: post #17

rbanffy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What’s Google’s decision whether to sell crap like this got to do with freedom of speech? Everything. I, personally, find it disturbing. But if it does not breach the ToS of the Android market, Google has no right to remove the materials. More than that: by removing it from the market, Google would be dictating the terms for censorship in the marketplace, making it difficult for neonazis to find material that appea…

Actually, there is no connection between Google's decision and freedom of speech. First off I'm not attacking you since you mentioned that you are not from the US, and the majority of people in the US don't understand this either. Freedom of speech is not the right to be able to say anything you want anytime, anywhere, anyhow. Freedom of speech is the right to say anything you want without government interference. Go…

> Freedom of speech is the right to say anything you want without government interference.

Indeed. Still, the respect Google gives to people who say things they disagree with reflects what they think of your right to say things they disagree with.

I am bothered with people that really believe nazi crap. I don't agree and I don't like it, but I believe ideas should be exposed in the open and be examined under the light of reason.

Re: Editorial: Waiter, there's a Nazi theme in my Android Market

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Post by nanairo » Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 8:25 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #2

You can choose between censorship and freedom of speech. You can't have it both ways. Offensive speech is the small price you pay for your freedom. Enjoy it. And, BTW, I live in a country where I am not given the luxury of being able to express some impopular points of view without risking being arrested.

In which countries is hate speech allowed? At least in Europe most countries I know of forbid hate speech that incite racism, violence, discrimination, etc...

I am not saying I agree (I do not) but in case these things would need to be tackled at the parliamentary level.

Re: Editorial: Waiter, there's a Nazi theme in my Android Market

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Post by nickpinkston » Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 12:01 AM UTC

jon_hendry wrote: post #10

cr0atian wrote: post #5

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Yes it would be illegal in Germany, but here in the US we do have freedom of speech. From flag burning, to KKK rallys and in this case Nazi insignia are all examples of free speech, and protected by the Constitution. Google can censor this but that would also be sacrificing free speech. I think its a disgusting theme but I don't think it should be censored, maybe they should get their keywords sorted so it doesn't sh…

"Yes it would be illegal in Germany, but here in the US we do have freedom of speech. From flag burning, to KKK rallys and in this case Nazi insignia are all examples of free speech, and protected by the Constitution." The 1st amendment is about Congress, not about what retailers allow into their stores for sale.

The first 8 amendments are all defined as protecting individual rights: speech, self-defense, home, private property, self-incrimination, fast/juried trials, and torture. The others are defining limits on what Congress / states can do against the other undefined rights.