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Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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I know we're all experiencing blockchain fatigue, but for once, I actually know what the tokens will be used for (beyond the usual snake-oil that other ICOs sell). For reference:

Some of the target usages for the token holders, will include:

- voting rights: influence the Red roadmap, vote for features and issue tickets.

- tipping: useful chat posts, code contributions, learning materials providers, etc.

- intra-community cryptoeconomics (or rather tokenomics): selling/buying services from other community members (coding tasks, consulting, learning help, bug fixing, decentralized gaming, etc.)

- paid Dapps, or in-app purchases.

In addition to that, the foundation will hold a significant amount of RCT, which will be used for rewarding:

- code contributions

- Red-related online learning or presenting materials (blog, documentations, etc.)

- promotional actions (presenting Red at a conference)

- any other actions that will help spread Red and make the community grow up.

I'm not sure I personally agree with turning the org into a "dapp", unless language-design remains with the core designers of the language and doesn't become influenced by decentralized decisions. edit: It looks like "voting rights" may actually impact this

There is always an issue with OSS projects struggling for funding. Regardless of how flawed the idea may be, at least they are trying to find a model to sustain themselves. It certainly trumps the model of depending on big-tech-company-X giving you handouts for your SSL library.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

#33
Not sure what to think of this. Smells like FOMO. I looked at their roadmap and they're planning to support so many different architectures. Adding EVM support seems like adding more complexity to the project just because blockchain.

I think something like this is needed for programming on blockchain, but I'd prefer to see a dedicated project instead.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

#34
“but after studying many other ICO, I am convinced now that this is not just a short-lived fad, but a real new model to fund projects, and especially open-source projects related to blockchains.”

There’s been quite a few of us suggesting people jump into blockchain just to get funding for more important stuff (e.g. language-level tooling or libraries) they’ll produce as part of the coin offering they sell to investors. Plus, with the focus on correctness, it’s easier than ever to get the private sector to invest in high-assurance tooling. Problem is they keep trying to clean-slate everything when there's piles of work to build on with better benefits in the long term. And this work is hard even when doing simple things if you want end result to be widely usable. So, you better have a good justification for trying to redo decades worth of hard work on your own with some VC funding.

Anyone wanting a shortcut should build your language on top of capabilities of the SPARK Ada language [1] with this book [2]. Your smart contracts get all the benefits it currently offers plus whatever extra you build plus whatever they build with the influx of money for Pro edition. Recent projects already add some pointer [3] and floating-point [4] safety to what they already mostly automate with that tooling. This is also a mature tool whose development and commercial use goes back decades [5].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARK_(programming_language)

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Building-High-Integrity-Applications-...

[3] https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.07047

[4] http://lists.forge.open-do.org/pipermail/spark2014-discuss/2...

[5] http://www.spark-2014.org/uploads/itp_2014_r610.pdf

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

#35

God! Enough! At this point any announcement with "blockchain" should turn any informed person off of the whole project. Checking out Red was on my roadmap and now it's firmly not.

Agreed. Blockchains have yet to power anything of practical value. They're arguably technically interesting, and may be useful in the long term, but the hype is pathetic and embarrassing.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

#36
> We have produced a whitepaper earlier this year in October (co-authored by Tamas Herman and myself), to describe with more details and context what we are building. We will release it publicly in a few days.

Why not release them simultaneously?

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

#37

edit I know we're all experiencing blockchain fatigue, but for once, I actually know what the tokens will be used for (beyond the usual snake-oil that other ICOs sell). For reference: Some of the target usages for the token holders, will include: - voting rights: influence the Red roadmap, vote for features and issue tickets. - tipping: useful chat posts, code contributions, learning materials providers, etc. - intra…

People who buy into the ICO can influence the roadmap?

Isn't that design by committee? (Generally considered a bad idea.)

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you hate blockchain tech doesn't mean the rest of the world should pass up free money. Also, "any informed person" is the No True Scotsman fallacy. I'm informed and I don't feel negatively just because it's blockchain.

I don’t think you know how HN works. If the word “blockchain” doesn’t make you irrationally angry, this isn’t the forum for you.

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Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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edit I know we're all experiencing blockchain fatigue, but for once, I actually know what the tokens will be used for (beyond the usual snake-oil that other ICOs sell). For reference: Some of the target usages for the token holders, will include: - voting rights: influence the Red roadmap, vote for features and issue tickets. - tipping: useful chat posts, code contributions, learning materials providers, etc. - intra…

Literally everything except “voting rights” is better served by a more popular existing cryptocurrency, and program language design doesn’t need a fancy voting system.
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