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Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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The better question is why the media is starting to distract you over there in USA with UFOs and Russians again.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-revenge/ Because it's not a distraction. ...well...the UFOs thing is...

You're just backing up his point about Russia.

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I seriously doubt that a full-scale military assault on Russia is 1) going to be productive in the long run and 2) really not justified just to protect a cable. Given the ultra-big egos of donald and vladmir, any act that one might interpret as an assault would very likely result in massive amounts of firepower launching at civilian targets. Maybe I'm alone in accepting some spotting internet connection to Europe vs…

The problem from a game-theoretic point of view is that if your opponent believes you won't retaliate over something small, they can just keep nibbling small chunks. Better to have the public believe that you're super territorial and will react violently to the slightest provocation. I think Vlad and Donnie know this and incorporate it into their public images, which is part of the reason you describe them as "ultra-…

> Better to have the public believe that you're super territorial and will react violently to the slightest provocation.

That's how you end up fighting wars nobody wanted. If you threaten Armageddon over every little thing and then don't deliver, nobody is going to take you seriously when you're, well, serious.

I'm convinced that's how the US ended up bombing Serbia - the Clinton administration tried to buy a little cheap grace by threatening the Serbs, thinking Milosevic would knuckle under and that would be that. But they were ignored. More threats followed and were also ignored. At some point Clinton had to do something or nobody on the planet was ever going to believe he had the backbone to carry out a threat.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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The best story surrounding this was a mole who was identified via taps on Russian cables. They were unwilling to prosecute him for fear of tipping off the Russians so he got off and was used to funnel disinformation.

My favorite part was that the Russians detected our undersea tap, found it, and put it in a Moscow museum complete with the stamp "Property of United States Government."

That's indicative of the stark cultural contrast between USA and Russia, indeed: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/23/vladimir-putin-robert-kraf...

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Typically not.

Wait, really? That’s shocking to me - I would have assumed the entire link was encrypted E2E. Are there technical limitations that make this infeasible?

Imagine the hardware required to encrypt that much data on the fly... not so shocking anymore is it?

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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post #22

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Typically not.

Wait, really? That’s shocking to me - I would have assumed the entire link was encrypted E2E. Are there technical limitations that make this infeasible?

as a network engineer for the most part we consider it the responsibility of the end user to encrypt their traffic, we function mostly as the freeway of the internet. some exceptions are when we have links through enemy territory such as through a foreign territory we are traditionally adversarial with. There are exceptions such as Google's anger at their backbone being snooped.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Making others believe you're able and willing to interfere with cables is an effective and bloodless way of force projection. For a player like Russia, who's always been big on visible activities shrouded in a hint of plausible deniability, this fits.

Their plausible deniability is helped by the naivety or ideological blindness of some

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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I believe that until recently neither Azure or AWS had a datacenter in the UK. Cutting undersea cables between the UK and the US / Europe / Ireland could have some serious consequences in the UK, at the very least on the economy, possibly on its infrastructure (payment systems, communications, etc).

But aren't terrestrial cables more vulnerables than undersea cables? Cutting undersea cables require sophisticated technologies. Cutting terrestrial cables just requires a local guy with a map and some TNT. It's impossible to protect thousands of km of cables.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Given that it's 2017 and a huge fraction of the traffic is HTTPS anyway, is there any practical benefit to this?

Show of power, threat total disruption of communication. I guess the point is "If we are only 12th most powerful economy (but equal defence wise) the 1st will suffer this much more from such an action."

Putin style politics, blackmailing like the Mafia. Sadly Trump starts to imitate this.

Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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post #31

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https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-revenge/ Because it's not a distraction. ...well...the UFOs thing is...

You're just backing up his point about Russia.

Man: Is that my wallet in your hand?

Thief: No sir. You're paranoid.

Man: That is my wallet. I can see my ID!

Thief: See, I told you that you were paranoid.

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