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Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

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Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

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Got a loan recently with 20% APR and dumped it all in bitcoin when it was at $19k. Super depressed and haven't slept for two days.

Hey man. It’s the manipulators. Also, your creativity is worth billions. That only comes from peace of mind. So focus on creating something new and amazing and valuable to the world. You’ll be happier and wealthier and more fulfilled that way. It’ll all work out buddy!

I almost expected to see a "Buy my book / attend my seminar to learn more!" link at the bottom of this post.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#32
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Got a loan recently with 20% APR and dumped it all in bitcoin when it was at $19k. Super depressed and haven't slept for two days.

And this is why I struggle with a moral quandary every time I make money off this crypto craze.

Where is the money coming from when I sell? What percent of it is from someone else making a very poor financial decision in a desperate move to elevate their financial position?

I believe most people would answer "who cares" as long as they are getting theirs. But if you are someone who believes those with money have a responsibility to help elevate those without, it's real hard to not feel dirty when you are one of the people seeing profits.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#34

What goes up must come down. Cryptocurrencies have no real economic value other than whatever people think they should be worth (which is interesting by itself). Once people stop believing the emperors not just naked then everyone will see him that way.

Bitcoin has immense economics value. There's no other asset on the planet that allows me to put my faith in logic and mathematics instead of a person or institution. Meanwhile, there's a lot of people putting their faith in opaque corporations and unelected central bankers. With the markets sitting at all time highs by every historical measure and debt loads higher than ever it'll be interested to see how that works…

> there's a lot of people putting their faith in opaque corporations

Bitfinex and Coinbase, for example.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#35

What goes up must come down. Cryptocurrencies have no real economic value other than whatever people think they should be worth (which is interesting by itself). Once people stop believing the emperors not just naked then everyone will see him that way.

Bitcoin has immense economics value. There's no other asset on the planet that allows me to put my faith in logic and mathematics instead of a person or institution. Meanwhile, there's a lot of people putting their faith in opaque corporations and unelected central bankers. With the markets sitting at all time highs by every historical measure and debt loads higher than ever it'll be interested to see how that works…

Actually, you are putting your faith in a few Chinese companies and the Chinese government: https://medium.com/@homakov/how-to-destroy-bitcoin-with-51-p...

I'll take US corporations backed by the US government over Chinese ones any day.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#36

So, it looks like Bitcoin's price hasn't dropped as far (percentage-wise) than the others - any ideas on why that is?

Bitcoin is the least risky of all the cryptocurrencies. It has the largest user base. It has the most widespread infrastructure. It has financial products and derivatives. Every other coin is unproven, many are mostly unheard of, and are the highest risk.

Saying every other coin is unproven is disingenuous.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#37
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope this is a joke or sarcasm. But if not, you should definitely not invest money that's not your's, no matter what you think you will miss out on. As you know that's part of the investing 101. But on the brighter side, there are far too many people involved for this to go full bust, the tech is solid, there's more and more exchanges launching associated products(bitcoin futures), Goldman is launching a full tradi…

Bitcoin absolutely could go full bust. It is not a physical commodity, there is no utility outside of its perceived value. It is not a company, so it doesn't even have book value as its floor. And the technology is open source and well known, so there is nothing special or scarce about Bitcoin technology at this point. Even the companies that have capital investments in Bitcoin hardware could just repurpose that for…

The best thing for Bitcoin as a technology would be to stabilize in price and have lightning networks solve the scalability problem. The moment we can actually use it for it's original intended purpose and not a speculative asset, the sooner we can see innovation take hold.

Of course this ignores how hamstrung the technology is by the IRS treating it as property subject to capital gains tax. If I have to worry about paying tax anytime it is converted to fiat or exchanged for goods and services of real value, the less motivated I am to do so.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#38
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Got a loan recently with 20% APR and dumped it all in bitcoin when it was at $19k. Super depressed and haven't slept for two days.

Borrowing at 20% APR is stupid. Did you think it would end up at $XXk without any corrections along the way? That said, look back next year and perhaps things won't be as gloomy as they are today. Edit: I can't believe I'm saying this, but you might want to look at refinancing that debt using a credit card. Their APR tends to be around 10 to 13% per annum. Might as well limit the damage done.

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Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#39
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope this is a joke or sarcasm. But if not, you should definitely not invest money that's not your's, no matter what you think you will miss out on. As you know that's part of the investing 101. But on the brighter side, there are far too many people involved for this to go full bust, the tech is solid, there's more and more exchanges launching associated products(bitcoin futures), Goldman is launching a full tradi…

Bitcoin absolutely could go full bust. It is not a physical commodity, there is no utility outside of its perceived value. It is not a company, so it doesn't even have book value as its floor. And the technology is open source and well known, so there is nothing special or scarce about Bitcoin technology at this point. Even the companies that have capital investments in Bitcoin hardware could just repurpose that for…

I'm not sure about this argument. You can also make a perfect copy of Facebook and you wont have a facebook. The brand is what makes Bitcoin, just like most of the companies that have perfectly good competitors with the same or better product utility but nowhere the market or profits.

For Bitcoin to die out, every single person needs to decide that doesn't want it.

Re: Bitcoin, Bitcoin cash, ethereum and litecoin crash on Friday December 22

#40
post #3

Got a loan recently with 20% APR and dumped it all in bitcoin when it was at $19k. Super depressed and haven't slept for two days.

Borrowing at 20% APR is stupid. Did you think it would end up at $XXk without any corrections along the way? That said, look back next year and perhaps things won't be as gloomy as they are today. Edit: I can't believe I'm saying this, but you might want to look at refinancing that debt using a credit card. Their APR tends to be around 10 to 13% per annum. Might as well limit the damage done.

Some will even give you 0% for a year and free debt transfers. But yeah seems like a bad idea.
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