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Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by whathaschanged »

EGreg wrote: post #23

Um, it seems to me you'd direct your submarine close to the coast of a city and your missile launch would not need ICBMs. In fact, I am worried about TacNukes - like the kind we see in James Bond movies - being smuggled INTO A CITY! https://www.wired.com/2002/11/nukes-2/ Here is an article about loose nukes. North Korea has ALREADY given Syria nuclear material to build a functioning nuclear weapons facility. Google "…

You're probably down voted because actual discussion would lead to the Samson Option.

Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by observation »

EGreg wrote: post #23

Um, it seems to me you'd direct your submarine close to the coast of a city and your missile launch would not need ICBMs. In fact, I am worried about TacNukes - like the kind we see in James Bond movies - being smuggled INTO A CITY! https://www.wired.com/2002/11/nukes-2/ Here is an article about loose nukes. North Korea has ALREADY given Syria nuclear material to build a functioning nuclear weapons facility. Google "…

You should not be nuked because those are real questions. I think we have organizations (not legal) which kill anybody attempting the variations of what you describe.

We sleep soundly because there exist men willing to do inhuman things to ensure our security. It's unpleasant until compared to the other options. That's what genuine heroism is like. When Putin is praising that organization he is thinking of something like this. We live very sheltered lives I think.

Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by nasredin »

pps43 wrote: post #25

If you detect a massive ICBM launch from Russia, you know what to do - nuke Russia. You have half an hour to launch before Russian missiles take out all silos. Now what do you do if you detect SLBM launch from somewhere in the Pacific Ocean? Who do you nuke?

The only openly hostile country with SLBMs is Russia.

So Russia is probably the best choice.

IIRC both have about 60 subs and Russia is back at their post-1991 strength.

See the recent WaPo article about them mapping undersea cables.

Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by observation »

whathaschanged wrote: post #31
EGreg wrote: post #23

Um, it seems to me you'd direct your submarine close to the coast of a city and your missile launch would not need ICBMs. In fact, I am worried about TacNukes - like the kind we see in James Bond movies - being smuggled INTO A CITY! https://www.wired.com/2002/11/nukes-2/ Here is an article about loose nukes. North Korea has ALREADY given Syria nuclear material to build a functioning nuclear weapons facility. Google "…

You're probably down voted because actual discussion would lead to the Samson Option.

Probably a large portion of the forum thinks the subject is itself immoral. That option isn't specifically anti-semitic even if it gets those undertones, we should expect every nuclear capable state has come up with items of that sort and more like destroying an innocent non-nuclear state to demonstrate convincing evidence for convictions.

Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by [deleted] »

alexhutcheson wrote: post #20

> Where would you direct your submarine, and where would you best fire you missiles, from the perspective of an as-late-as-possible space-based detection of your missile launches? Honest question - is this the function you'd be optimizing for? What are the implications of earlier space-based detection of a launch? Presumably fast detection of a launch plume would help you find and hunt down the sub, but at that point…

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Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by nugi »

monocasa wrote: post #15
madengr wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes

Why? It's all public information. And the sense I've gotten is that the North Korean engineers overall seem competent, they just lack resources.

To play devils advocate, their resources being limited is a huge boon to our reletive superiority. This post does in effect concentrate them into an actionable plan, with minimal effort. That said, I am pretty sure the dark zone is only theoretical, due to limited publicly available data on likely classified access.

Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by stevenwoo »

EGreg wrote: post #23

Um, it seems to me you'd direct your submarine close to the coast of a city and your missile launch would not need ICBMs. In fact, I am worried about TacNukes - like the kind we see in James Bond movies - being smuggled INTO A CITY! https://www.wired.com/2002/11/nukes-2/ Here is an article about loose nukes. North Korea has ALREADY given Syria nuclear material to build a functioning nuclear weapons facility. Google "…

It has been speculated Pakistan is already playing with tactical nukes and using unmarked vehicles to move them around the country, because they fear the USA will disarm them ala the bin Ladin raid on a larger scale. They already do not move nuclear materials in armed convoys because that would make them stand out and a target for anyone in a pretty divided country so they use unmarked vehicles. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/12/the-all...

Re: Where to hide your nuclear missile submarine?

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Post by izacus »

nasredin wrote: post #33
pps43 wrote: post #25

If you detect a massive ICBM launch from Russia, you know what to do - nuke Russia. You have half an hour to launch before Russian missiles take out all silos. Now what do you do if you detect SLBM launch from somewhere in the Pacific Ocean? Who do you nuke?

The only openly hostile country with SLBMs is Russia. So Russia is probably the best choice. IIRC both have about 60 subs and Russia is back at their post-1991 strength. See the recent WaPo article about them mapping undersea cables.

Russia is hostile? By what metric?
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