Don't the brits have anything better to do? ... Like crack down on Pakistani Grooming Gangs that rape their young British girls. or, maybe the Islamic terrorism across Europe.
Call to ban sale of mini mobile phones
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
You cannot use a jammer of any kind in the United States, for almost all values of you, including state and federal penal agencies. https://www.fcc.gov/general/jammer-enforcement
That's an interesting US fact, but the story is about the UK. Is it likewise restricted there?
Criminal, according to Ofcom regulations.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/interference-enforcement/s...
There are after all good reasons to ban them, but even if those reasons didn’t exist, the Tories would ban them for their usual “law and order” reasons.
Re: Call to ban sale of mini mobile phones
#33Wouldn't it be a much better idea to build prisons at places that simply have no cell coverage? (if necessary make it a law for such a region - this would also make such regions good places for electrosensitive people to settle). Considering that it is very problematic to use jammers and hardly possible to ban sales, too (if it becomes impossible to sell them directly, people will start to sell them from Shenzhen, wh…
Prisons need employees. The employees are going to want cell coverage between work and home.
How about just banning prison visits. That would solve a lot of other contraband problems too.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure that total deregulation of the prison phone market is a good idea, but at least in the United States, the current solution is pretty outrageous [0]. There is a a reasonable censoring role to be played by the prison (same as it is for mail), but like much else about prison system, seems served by rent-seekers [1]. [0] https://theintercept.com/2017/06/16/fcc-prison-phone-call-ra... [1] https://www.indystar…
Is there reason for censoring? Most criminals don't have an empire to run from prison. I suspect there's very few prisoners where censoring makes any sense. Consider the cost and benefit, and the value of maintaining contact with friends and family. What exactly is the reasonable censorship role? I'm honestly curious..
One circumstance: a lot of men* are in prison for domestic violence. The victims are often close to completely emotionally and mentally broken. The offenders often have equally manipulative friends who are not incarecerated. Allowing such prisoners unfettered phone access to 1) potentially contact victims or 2) contact friends to harass victims, seems like it is worth avoiding. Words can be very powerful and escaping the cycle of abuse is difficult. That was the first instance I thought of. I imagine there are many other where censorship makes sense.
* this is the most common dynamic, violence perpetrated by men.
Re: Call to ban sale of mini mobile phones
#35Wouldn't it be a much better idea to build prisons at places that simply have no cell coverage? (if necessary make it a law for such a region - this would also make such regions good places for electrosensitive people to settle). Considering that it is very problematic to use jammers and hardly possible to ban sales, too (if it becomes impossible to sell them directly, people will start to sell them from Shenzhen, wh…
Prisons need employees. The employees are going to want cell coverage between work and home. How about just banning prison visits. That would solve a lot of other contraband problems too.
Prisons already have land lines.
edit: Banning visits seems unusually cruel.
Re: Call to ban sale of mini mobile phones
#36For 5 long years I wore this Apple Watch 3 up my ass
Re: Call to ban sale of mini mobile phones
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s to stop them from being able to continue to commit crimes from the inside.
Except that they can't without using proxies on the outside. Instead, we decide that they no longer have a right to communicate or express themselves to anyone outside the prison. It seems like a more effective and humane method is to allow them free telephone usage, with the complete disclosure and knowledge that their conversations are being listened to/recorded. If crimes being driven by their command are executed…
Before cell phones, they would use code words and phrases so they could orchestrate activities via monitored phone calls.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an ongoing problem in mexican prisons, see: http://www.newsweek.com/el-chapo-puente-grande-mexico-582319
Large scale phone fraud seems like something that should be easy to stop... Even without monitoring all calls. Assuming the officials aren't corrupt.
Okay, what do you do if you detect large scale phone fraud?
Put them in prison and take away their access to landline? Well, that's what we do now, and it's not working, they'll just use a tiny cell phone as they do now.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there reason for censoring? Most criminals don't have an empire to run from prison. I suspect there's very few prisoners where censoring makes any sense. Consider the cost and benefit, and the value of maintaining contact with friends and family. What exactly is the reasonable censorship role? I'm honestly curious..
One circumstance: a lot of men* are in prison for domestic violence. The victims are often close to completely emotionally and mentally broken. The offenders often have equally manipulative friends who are not incarecerated. Allowing such prisoners unfettered phone access to 1) potentially contact victims or 2) contact friends to harass victims, seems like it is worth avoiding. Words can be very powerful and escaping…
There are already legal mechanisms such as a judge's order (not to mention technical methods) to address such cases. Banning every convict from using a phone is like swatting a fly with a Buick.
Re: Call to ban sale of mini mobile phones
#40Why not just let prisoners have free access to the phone? This has never made sense to me.
I'm not sure that total deregulation of the prison phone market is a good idea, but at least in the United States, the current solution is pretty outrageous [0]. There is a a reasonable censoring role to be played by the prison (same as it is for mail), but like much else about prison system, seems served by rent-seekers [1]. [0] https://theintercept.com/2017/06/16/fcc-prison-phone-call-ra... [1] https://www.indystar…
Thanks for the links. The Indy Star gave a Bad Gateway so I found the amp ariticle here: