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Because the EU could then reject those terms and not having a trade deal would be vastly more damaging to the UK than the EU.
No it can't - it's as bound by Article 50 as the UK is.
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For the same reason your friends will refuse to go to dinner with you if you skip on the bill. There are literally hundreds of collaborations between UK organisations and EU organisations. If we just stop our promised contributions to all of them they're not going to trust us again.
> For the same reason your friends will refuse to go to dinner with you if you skip on the bill. What if you had very little choice on what was ordered for dinner? and ate almost nothing at dinner. You wouldn't want to pay right?
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Because the EU could then reject those terms and not having a trade deal would be vastly more damaging to the UK than the EU.
No it can't - it's as bound by Article 50 as the UK is.
Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
They can, but then travel and trade becomes ~illegal between the UK and pretty much everyone else, the powder keg of NI starts heating back up, you've got a bunch of britons illegally present in mainland EU and likewise mainland residents in the UK, …
Oh and the UK becomes known for having no respect for international deals, which makes their positions weaker in every future international agreement.
> and unilaterally state a position on trade terms?
And the EU unilaterally states "no" and then what?
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For the same reason your friends will refuse to go to dinner with you if you skip on the bill. There are literally hundreds of collaborations between UK organisations and EU organisations. If we just stop our promised contributions to all of them they're not going to trust us again.
> For the same reason your friends will refuse to go to dinner with you if you skip on the bill. What if you had very little choice on what was ordered for dinner? and ate almost nothing at dinner. You wouldn't want to pay right?
If we expand on your analogy a little bit: its more like families going to dinner. The British family agreed with the dinner at first but due to some internal changes in the family, now says they didn't like what they ate before, don't like what they will eat in the future, and want to negotiate a different plan for dinner henceforth.
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No it can't - it's as bound by Article 50 as the UK is.
So what happens if the EU and UK don't reach an agreement before the article 50 time limit expires? It doesn't make sense that the UK just gets to do what they like, otherwise they wouldn't need to negotiate at all.
Why can’t the U.K. just leave? Say we are gone, we are not giving you any money, and unilaterally state a position on trade terms? I realize this may sound naive, but I’m just curious.
The European Union wants to maintain centralized power. A Country like the UK leaving weakens their authority. Meanwhile the uk wants to remain sovereign, but doesn't want to lose the benefits of the EU. Its essentially a power play. Freedom is the better choice imo
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> For the same reason your friends will refuse to go to dinner with you if you skip on the bill. What if you had very little choice on what was ordered for dinner? and ate almost nothing at dinner. You wouldn't want to pay right?
You say to your friends, "Let's share the cost of dinner". Then when you decide you don't like the dinner, walk out halfway through, leaving your friends to pick up the bill for what you ordered. Once word gets round, not only your friends but nobody is going to go out to dinner with you ever again.
But it's also a TRAGEDY for the EU. They've lost one of their principal contributors, as well as prestige and status. This is generally not talked about.
The EU are negotiating HARD. Why? Because they are in a position of weakness. If they were in a position of strength then they would let the UK go easily.
Everyone knows this.
The complications are that the UK political establishment and business community don't actually want to leave the EU. Hence the desperate attempt by UK negotiators to keep as much of the old system as possible, to the anger of the proletariat.