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Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Best solution to loneliness is to gain massive debt, become dirt poor, and battle daily with attention deficit issues while you struggle to learn and become productive enough to get a job in the software industry with a pretty horrible work history, an incomplete bachelors, and a near worthless associates. Living one rung lower on Maslow's hierarchy makes you forget about the desire to be around people, or even leave…

I'm in a similar situation.

People don't talk about it, but the club has gotten huge, at least from my vantage point.

I don't think people are being more honest, or it's the ease of communication over the internet.

A lot of people are trying to manage a mix of intense anxiety, and depression.

I look around and technology has just made things worse. (Yea--I know one day--technology might eradicate cancer. I'm not going to argue. Today--I wish the smartphone was Never invented. )

I have always thought too much about death. It's kinda ruined my life.

That said, my only preparation for eventual illness is getting rid the television.

I've never thought it was healthy to be reminded daily through commercials I will get cancer, or if lucky just, die of a quick heart attack. And so many lonely people use t.v to alleviate the pain of being alone, or at least I do.

I haven't got rid of it yet, but it will come. I do have a healthy collection of movies on dvds.

As I aged, I do see why people do drugs. And yes--I do exercise daily. It does help.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Best solution to loneliness is to gain massive debt, become dirt poor, and battle daily with attention deficit issues while you struggle to learn and become productive enough to get a job in the software industry with a pretty horrible work history, an incomplete bachelors, and a near worthless associates. Living one rung lower on Maslow's hierarchy makes you forget about the desire to be around people, or even leave…

Ouch. Hope it gets better.

Have you tried subreddits like https://www.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/, /r/offmychest/, or something like 7 cups of tea?

As the story relates, we're more like to offer practical advice here on HN rather than the emotional support you probably need right now.

It does, honestly, get better. You're making the right moves, even if it does all look desperate right now.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Lately I've become more and more convinced that indeed, modern society sucks, or at the very least that I, and people like me, am not well equipped to flourish in it. I'm sure some people are though, but I suspect they are becoming the minority. Few days ago I also read Ted Kaczynski's essay[1], and it's hard for me not to acknowledge how right he is on many points. However, I do believe it is possible to survive all…

> Is it not possible for the modern man to accept the drawbacks of modern life, including loneliness, just as stoically as the primitive man was accepting adversity and death?

Primitive men weren't stoic. We attribute that quality to them because we now understand how common diseases work and why they were so prominent in that time. That understanding -part of the advantages of modern life- has forever changed our perspective on the subject.

For primitive men, life was probably terrifying and a constant struggle. When someone in the tribe got sick, they didn't say "oh well, that's life! What can you do?". They'd attribute it to some supernatural force that was clearly angry at them for something they did. That's why they created various superstitions and rituals, as a way to combat the things they could not understand and control. That's not exactly being stoic.

That being said, I do believe that some people are not equipped to deal with modern life, and that a larger degree of solitude is part of that life.

I'm lucky in the sense that, for me, being alone does not have an emotional tax. I enjoy being alone as much as I enjoy being in good company (and because you cannot always count on the company to be good, i'd say I enjoy it even more). I'm not saying I like to be alone sometimes. I really enjoy being alone for extended periods of time and could imagine living the rest of my life alone to some degree (I do like the rhythm of modern cities). But I understand the frustration of those who cannot endure solitude or get a feeling of loneliness from it.

I wouldn't say modern society sucks, though. It has a lot going for it, but it's obviously not perfect.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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post #4

Lately I've become more and more convinced that indeed, modern society sucks, or at the very least that I, and people like me, am not well equipped to flourish in it. I'm sure some people are though, but I suspect they are becoming the minority. Few days ago I also read Ted Kaczynski's essay[1], and it's hard for me not to acknowledge how right he is on many points. However, I do believe it is possible to survive all…

Is there any reason to believe that primitive people did not fought each other, did not bullied each other and did not enslaved each other? When primitive dude hits smaller one or rapes primitive girl, how is it not man made? How do we know they were stoic? How do we know they were not stressed or frustrated?

This article about loneliness made me think about this Kaczynski quote, which is why I added it here. I'm pretty sure primitive men had their fair share of violence, both physical and psychological, but I do suspect the concept of loneliness that is described is this article was much more rare back then.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Lately I've become more and more convinced that indeed, modern society sucks, or at the very least that I, and people like me, am not well equipped to flourish in it. I'm sure some people are though, but I suspect they are becoming the minority. Few days ago I also read Ted Kaczynski's essay[1], and it's hard for me not to acknowledge how right he is on many points. However, I do believe it is possible to survive all…

It’s also possible to live differently. I played the stoic for decades until the isolation of being a business owner living in a city pushed me over the brink.

I’ve struggled with loneliness my entire life - and adult life has been worse than childhood. I started boarding school at six - and while I was homesick for some time, the camaraderie of other inmates, uh, students, was the only thing that kept me mildly sane - I had people to look out for and protect, and similarly people looked out for and protected me.

As an adult, I’ve unwittingly repeatedly chosen lonely paths - moving frequently for several years before settling down and starting a business. I spent my days surrounded by people with nobody to relate to - I can be friendly with employees and clients, but I can’t be friends. I can’t confide about what worries me.

Either way, I broke - I spent most of 2016 having anxiety attacks that’d see me vomit for weeks on end, to the extent that I ended up hospitalised several times with severe dehydration and hypoglycaemia. I passed on the reins and left.

I now live on the edge of a village in the middle of nowhere north wales. I have drinks or go for walks with with my 93 and 84 year old neighbours most days. I’ve made friends with all sorts, just by saying hello to folks as they walk past the cottage.

My financial future is uncertain - but as I write this I am so happy it brings tears to my eyes.

We’ve really forgotten what’s important - and there’s a story about a chap called Midas that we could all do to learn a thing or two from.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Lately I've become more and more convinced that indeed, modern society sucks, or at the very least that I, and people like me, am not well equipped to flourish in it. I'm sure some people are though, but I suspect they are becoming the minority. Few days ago I also read Ted Kaczynski's essay[1], and it's hard for me not to acknowledge how right he is on many points. However, I do believe it is possible to survive all…

I learned from Zen Buddhism the same idea that you share here. Indeed, if we treat other people like other act of god, i.e. as things that don't act but just are, a lot of stress, anger, and sadness will vanish [1]. Zen and Stoicism are similar in their promotion of acceptance. I happen to feel more drawn to Zen because of their comprehensive guide towards how to achieve this acceptance.

[1] Within Zen, this idea is captured in the parable of an "empty boat." http://omswami.com/2015/09/the-empty-boat.html

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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We're paying the price for the proliferation of existentialism, and it's flavor of capitalism and justice.

"You're on your own" is good when reaping rewards and thriving in a meritocracy, but not when you need help, are losing, or just want warmth.

But a healthy dose of loneliness is what has us reaching for each other.

So we should all just give in, and reach for each other.

Natural feeling tend to take care of themselves, so long as we're capable of being honest.

Of course, that's the other issue.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any reason to believe that primitive people did not fought each other, did not bullied each other and did not enslaved each other? When primitive dude hits smaller one or rapes primitive girl, how is it not man made? How do we know they were stoic? How do we know they were not stressed or frustrated?

This article about loneliness made me think about this Kaczynski quote, which is why I added it here. I'm pretty sure primitive men had their fair share of violence, both physical and psychological, but I do suspect the concept of loneliness that is described is this article was much more rare back then.

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Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Personally, going to Church has helped me suffer less with loneliness. I've made meaningful friendships, and relationships with people from all sorts of backgrounds. It has given more meaning to my life than anything I found at work, or by random socialising.

Of course, YMMV. Please take this as a random anecdote, not as evangelism.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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post #39

Personally, going to Church has helped me suffer less with loneliness. I've made meaningful friendships, and relationships with people from all sorts of backgrounds. It has given more meaning to my life than anything I found at work, or by random socialising. Of course, YMMV. Please take this as a random anecdote, not as evangelism.

I know a few people who have suggested attending a Unitarian Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism) as a way to get the social benefits of church without having to subscribe to a religious belief. Many congregations include atheists and agnostics.
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